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« on: January 04, 2013, 01:48:53 PM »

I was an avid PC gamer. Almost exclusive. Upgraded my pc every two years. newest video card. Had two Monster PC cards SLI back in the day.

Half Life 2. I was really looking forward to it. I bought it ran home installed it on my new monster pc. The sound did not work and the game stuttered. The fix took over two months to come out after several lost weekends of trying different configurations. It was over for me. Beginning of the end. HD gaming came out on the consoles. I was gone.

Fastforward to 2012. My PC illiterate friend bought Black Ops 2 on the pc I was over his house for a party. It would not play at all. After upgrading everything the game now runs marginally I spent 2 hours just getting it to that point.

I play Rise of Nations with my nephew at the holidays on my LAN we have a blast. So I decided hey lets get Rise of Legends. ITS 2012 WHERE CAN I DOWNLOAD THIS NOW? Steam? nope. Got it online, (bought two copies)came last night. Installed it.. First machine WONT RUN direct x issues. Had to reinstall directx on a new installation. Second PC the game wont retain the serial number asks for it everytime I run the game. Annoying, but it runs. OK on to play the game. It connects on my lan start the game. DROPS A PLAYER in about a minute completely unplayable. Oh, look how nice the game searches for updates in the menu. OOPS cannot connect rise of legends suggests perhaps its a firewall issue? Play with firewall settings for quite some time.. nothing. On to the forums OH, the update servers are DOWN FOR GOOD. No problem, I will download the update manually. Oh, OUCH no. They dont have them up to get manually. Read the forums... lots of outrage about that. Connect a gigabit switch eliminated the rest of my network to isolate the issue still disconnects.  (HOURS IN AT THIS POINT)

Search the boards found a small mention about MSMXLS.msi (XML PARSER) being required to play the game online. Oh how nice. Downloaded it installed it and played the game it no longer disconnects. Was exhausted did not enjoy the game. Wonder what all my "CONFIGURING" has now broken other aspects of the os.

Ahhh PC GAMING GO TO HELL.
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2013, 05:54:27 PM »

Sorry for your pain.  icon_neutral

I felt that way after buying Rockstar's LA Noire earlier this year. Which wouldn't run on my machine unless there was a very particular version of MS Framework running. Which required hours of troubleshooting, rolling back my entire PC's settings, etc. By the time I could actually install the game and successfully run it, I was so pissed off, I didn't want to play the damn game anymore. Don't ask me how I felt when Steam proceeded to put it on 50% off sale weeks after release.  icon_evil Probably I will never buy another Rockstar PC game.

Still, I've had lots of fun and few technical issues during 2012 with Diablo III (well OK the servers were fubared after launch), Mass Effect 3 (more for the co-op so the Ending furor didn't really affect me), X-COM: Enemy Unknown, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2 and many $19-$29 XBLA games that turned out quite fun in their PC iterations (Renegade Ops, Mark of the Ninja, etc. etc.).

So I would say, once you recover from your wounds, look around at what else is out there, as an old strategy game not updating and a bleeding edge FPS shooter not working all that well doesn't reflect the whole of PC gaming.  icon_smile While I'm in a gaming funk now, looking back, it was a pretty fine, fun year for PC gaming even if not everything really lived up to inflated expectations.

fwiw, I have an aging quad-core with an aging ATI HD 5670 video card and an aging OS (Vista 64-bit) that is still problematic in certain games. I am NOT on the bleeding edge at all.  icon_smile
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2013, 06:23:01 PM »

My pendulum has just swung back to the PC. Steam sales, unique indie games, native Xbox controller support, lower overall prices, a slower rate of PC hardware obsolescence... between my PC and iOS I hardly ever have a desire to boot up my consoles anymore.
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2013, 06:33:43 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on January 04, 2013, 05:54:27 PM

Sorry for your pain.  icon_neutral

I felt that way after buying Rockstar's LA Noire earlier this year. Which wouldn't run on my machine unless there was a very particular version of MS Framework running. Which required hours of troubleshooting, rolling back my entire PC's settings, etc. By the time I could actually install the game and successfully run it, I was so pissed off, I didn't want to play the damn game anymore. Don't ask me how I felt when Steam proceeded to put it on 50% off sale weeks after release.  icon_evil Probably I will never buy another Rockstar PC game.

Still, I've had lots of fun and few technical issues during 2012 with Diablo III (well OK the servers were fubared after launch), Mass Effect 3 (more for the co-op so the Ending furor didn't really affect me), X-COM: Enemy Unknown, Torchlight 2, Borderlands 2 and many $19-$29 XBLA games that turned out quite fun in their PC iterations (Renegade Ops, Mark of the Ninja, etc. etc.).

So I would say, once you recover from your wounds, look around at what else is out there, as an old strategy game not updating and a bleeding edge FPS shooter not working all that well doesn't reflect the whole of PC gaming.  icon_smile While I'm in a gaming funk now, looking back, it was a pretty fine, fun year for PC gaming even if not everything really lived up to inflated expectations.

fwiw, I have an aging quad-core with an aging ATI HD 5670 video card and an aging OS (Vista 64-bit) that is still problematic in certain games. I am NOT on the bleeding edge at all.  icon_smile

I wouldn't really call black ops 2 "bleeding edge fps". It's engine is old as all hell. But point still received.slywink
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2013, 06:44:52 PM »

I built a PC in January of 2012 having never really had anything but a notebook for grad school and Boot Camp on my Macbooks. Compared to you I have been extremely lucky. The only trouble I have had was not being able to play the last chapter of FEAR Perseus Mandate due to some save bug, so no real loss. There have been a couple of things I have had to work around, like Crysis not starting up, but those have had very easily found fixes on the Steam boards. I'm running dual 660Tis right now and have hardly been touching my consoles.

So...don't give up hope?
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« Reply #5 on: January 04, 2013, 08:27:48 PM »

There are aspects of PC gaming, like the example you mentioned, that can be incredibly frustrating.  The upside to PC gaming is pretty good right now though.  Cheaper games through proven digital distribution channels means I never have to step foot in another Gamestop, or worry about managing a library of game discs.  Seasonal sales for digital pc games can't be beat.

I've never enjoyed having to spend a lot of time tweaking and troubleshooting video settings, and thankfully most newer games are good about defaulting to specs that work for my PC.  Older games can pose a problem though.  I had to do a weird executable line edit to the GTAIV launcher to get the game to start (just purchased during the steam holiday sale).  Most of my PC issues are because I'm trying to run older games.  Sacred 2 Gold is another recent example.  I had to do the same thing...add something to the .exe line after doing a bit of research.

I've had good luck with pc games that have been released in the last few years though.  There's a lot of pc gaming goodness out there right now.         

   
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« Reply #6 on: January 04, 2013, 08:32:38 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on January 04, 2013, 06:23:01 PM

My pendulum has just swung back to the PC. Steam sales, unique indie games, native Xbox controller support, lower overall prices, a slower rate of PC hardware obsolescence... between my PC and iOS I hardly ever have a desire to boot up my consoles anymore.

Same here, but I'm sure it'll swing back the other way when the new generation of Xbox/PS comes out.
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« Reply #7 on: January 04, 2013, 11:35:17 PM »

Oddly enough I stopped having the sorts of issues mentioned with PC games once I officially migrated myself to a Mac (running Bootcamp) as my primary game machine.  I still have a graveyard of PCs in various stages of disarray lying around that I'll have to go through some day, but instead of messing with PC innards on a regular basis, I haven't had a single problem with my iMac in over a year.  Just upgraded to the newer model, hopefully it will be equally stable.
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« Reply #8 on: January 04, 2013, 11:44:55 PM »

I'm loving PC gaming these days. I bought a pretty decent gaming laptop over 3 years ago and it still plays all the recent releases (Skyrim, Xcom, Dark Souls, LEGO LOTR) just fine. My previous laptop (bought in 2005) probably lasted a year before it was obsolete. These days are the pinnacle of PC gaming in my opinion.
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« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2013, 09:07:16 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on January 04, 2013, 11:44:55 PM

I'm loving PC gaming these days. I bought a pretty decent gaming laptop over 3 years ago and it still plays all the recent releases (Skyrim, Xcom, Dark Souls, LEGO LOTR) just fine. My previous laptop (bought in 2005) probably lasted a year before it was obsolete. These days are the pinnacle of PC gaming in my opinion.

Definitely agree.  My Asus laptop is coming up on 3 years old in the summer and it runs everything with most settings as high as they can go and I never run into any issues with games not running unless I go grab some file or do some kind of tweak.

The last time I had a PC before that was one I built back in like 2003.  Back then I was buying  a new video card every year and upgrading the rest of my hardware every year and a half.  I frequently ran into issues with driver incompatibilities and other nonsense.  I feel like things are so much better on PC than they were back then.
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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2013, 09:22:56 PM »

It is a great era for PC gaming.  Windows 7 is robust.  Hardware is ahead of the software curve by far.  I am playing current games - Dishonered, Borderlands 2, XCOM on a PC that is dated - Wolfdale 8600 at stock speed, with a current medium tier current video card - ATI 7850 at high settings.  I do not foresee the need for an upgrade for awhile.
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« Reply #11 on: January 06, 2013, 09:25:27 PM »

While I prefer using my tv and consoles to some degree, the fact that pc games generally cost $20 less than on consoles pre-release and soon after means I'll keep buying some on pc
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« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2013, 07:37:45 AM »

Unless it is for multiplayer I will get a game on my PC.  As long as I don't have to relearn DOS=HIGH ever again I'm quite happy.  I had issues using Steam due to my very slow DSL line when The Witcher 2 kept wanting to download 14 gigs for a patch and that would take days to get but now I'm on a faster cable line and downloading games is a reasonable chore.  FarCry3 had some launch issues since you had to install Uplay before the game would run and nobody seemed to know that ahead of time.

Video card drivers updates are so much better now too, I just got the newest Nvidia driver and it installed with no drama and no reboots needed.
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« Reply #13 on: January 07, 2013, 01:55:04 PM »

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« Reply #14 on: January 07, 2013, 03:34:11 PM »

Quote from: HankRaptor on January 07, 2013, 01:55:04 PM

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
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« Reply #15 on: January 07, 2013, 03:52:33 PM »

Quote from: HankRaptor on January 07, 2013, 01:55:04 PM

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
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DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS

Honestly, making DOS boot disks is basically what launched my career in computers.  I really got to know computers inside and out from that and then the rest was history.
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« Reply #16 on: January 07, 2013, 05:14:25 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on January 07, 2013, 03:34:11 PM

Quote from: HankRaptor on January 07, 2013, 01:55:04 PM

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« Reply #17 on: January 07, 2013, 05:28:49 PM »

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« Reply #18 on: January 11, 2013, 03:47:26 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on January 04, 2013, 06:23:01 PM

My pendulum has just swung back to the PC. Steam sales, unique indie games, native Xbox controller support, lower overall prices, a slower rate of PC hardware obsolescence... between my PC and iOS I hardly ever have a desire to boot up my consoles anymore.

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