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« on: October 28, 2015, 08:59:17 PM »

I usually don't frequent the Steam forums, but lately I've been going there to get specific information on a several games. The level of idiocy on display is remarkable. I feel like I have a front row seat viewing the decline of western civilization. A few tidbits:

1) Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition was released on Xbox live several hours before Steam. Certain individuals went berserk, despite the fact that all owners of the PC original edition game were getting the enhanced edition for FREE.  All they had to do was wait a few extra hours. Instead comments were posted talking about how Larian had stabbed PC gamers in the back, and how they were catering to console gamers instead of the people who saved their development house.

2) Rebel galaxy was released and one particular gamer had technical issues (save game mysteriously disappeared), so he went on a tirade about the game being released in alpha status. He also demanded a refund, PLUS $75 per hour for each hour of gaming that he lost. (Since when he does game testing that is his hourly wage.Suuuure.) The developer tried everything to apologize for his unfortunate experience, and even offered to send him a new save game file with some extras, but the tirade continued.

3) My friend was having difficulty with controller support for a game, and posted that he was very disappointed that the game was not recognizing the Xbox or PS4 controller. Several people started bashing him for using a gamepad instead of a KB/M configuration. When he explained that his only PC was his HTPC, and a KB/M wasn't optimal, a few forum members went into high gear with the veiled profanity. When the developer chimed in to resolve the gamepad issues, these same individuals attacked him for "dumbing down PC gaming".

4) Another friend, this time a female gamer, made the mistake of mentioning that she was female. The forum topic devolved into people asking her to "prove" that she was female, because she didn't "write" like a girl. And then someone decided to bring up rape....

The most grating portion of these types of situations is that other people who come out to defend the developer or topic creator start to use the same type of disparaging comments against the people who are already acting like idiots. It is amazing what anonymity does to certain individuals morale compasses.

Anyway, just my own distorted perspective on the Steam forums. I realize that absurd behavior is everywhere. My fiancee is a school teacher, and her stories border on the impossible. I think she actually works in the Mos Eisley Cantina from Star Wars.



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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2015, 09:08:18 PM »

Stay far away from big, public forums unless they are very strictly moderated. Otherwise, abandon hope all ye who enter here.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2015, 09:17:06 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 28, 2015, 09:08:18 PM

Stay far away from big, public forums unless they are very strictly moderated. Otherwise, abandon hope all ye who enter here.

Yup, pretty much any forum with enough people and no moderation turns into a deep pit of despair.  See Yahoo, YouTube, etc.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM »

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

In short, what TiLT and Teggy said.
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« Reply #4 on: October 29, 2015, 01:02:12 AM »

Quote from: Glycerine on October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

In short, what TiLT and Teggy said.

Awesome. I still remember going online a few years ago, excited about playing a new MMO. I'm the type of person who enjoys getting immersed in the game, and I had high hopes for this title.

I walked up to someone's avatar, expecting a name like Nicodemus or Stormwarden. Instead I got......19InchJohnson.

Immersion=broken.
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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2015, 01:11:49 AM »

Quote from: Glycerine on October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM


No joke, this was both the subject matter of a lecture and on the final exam of a course I took in college. Thanks, Texas Tech!

But yeah, places like the Steam forums, the LoL forums, YouTube, heck even Reddit as of late have become cesspools for nastiness and it's better to just avoid.

Also, that KB/M stuff is crap. I play a lot of games on my X1 controller wired up to my PC. Games like Shadow of Mordor and Batman: Arkham Knight, a controller is pretty much a necessity.

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« Reply #6 on: October 29, 2015, 03:14:16 AM »

Quote from: Dante Rising
1) Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition was released on Xbox live several hours before Steam. Certain individuals went berserk, despite the fact that all owners of the PC original edition game were getting the enhanced edition for FREE.  All they had to do was wait a few extra hours. Instead comments were posted talking about how Larian had stabbed PC gamers in the back, and how they were catering to console gamers instead of the people who saved their development house.

Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common as technology gives us the power to get anything we want almost instantly. My kids will never know what it means to have to wait for anything.

Jeff Tucker on the 91 Reasons podcast related a story about how he used to work the door at the Snoopy Ice Show at Knott's Berry Farm. He was in charge of turning people away when the theater filled to capacity. He said that he had people threaten to kill him because the venue was full and they'd have to wait for the next show. Threaten to KILL him.  retard
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« Reply #7 on: October 29, 2015, 12:09:09 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 28, 2015, 09:08:18 PM

Stay far away from big, public forums unless they are very strictly moderated. Otherwise, abandon hope all ye who enter here.

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« Reply #8 on: October 29, 2015, 12:15:13 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on October 29, 2015, 03:14:16 AM

Quote from: Dante Rising
1) Divinity Original Sin Enhanced Edition was released on Xbox live several hours before Steam. Certain individuals went berserk, despite the fact that all owners of the PC original edition game were getting the enhanced edition for FREE.  All they had to do was wait a few extra hours. Instead comments were posted talking about how Larian had stabbed PC gamers in the back, and how they were catering to console gamers instead of the people who saved their development house.

Unfortunately this is becoming more and more common as technology gives us the power to get anything we want almost instantly. My kids will never know what it means to have to wait for anything.

Jeff Tucker on the 91 Reasons podcast related a story about how he used to work the door at the Snoopy Ice Show at Knott's Berry Farm. He was in charge of turning people away when the theater filled to capacity. He said that he had people threaten to kill him because the venue was full and they'd have to wait for the next show. Threaten to KILL him.  retard

I agree that instantaneous delivery of content is a double edged sword. While I love having access to hundreds of thousands of books and movies at my fingertips, I miss the days of wandering through a Borders Bookstore, or Blockbuster video, looking for that hidden gem I never knew existed. For my family and I, it was something of a weekend ritual. We would stop by Blockbuster, get a movie for the evening, and then drive over to Borders Bookstore. There we would grab some food and browse through the bookshelves. Neither of those stores exist in my area any longer. I just push a button on Netflix or my Kindle.
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« Reply #9 on: October 29, 2015, 02:36:49 PM »

Quote from: Glycerine on October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM

I'll just leave this here:

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19

In short, what TiLT and Teggy said.

Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory?

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Yep, Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.  Which is absolutely and 100% true.  I rarely bother with forums outside of a couple I frequent on a regular basis.  Steam forums are an absolute cesspool.
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« Reply #10 on: October 29, 2015, 02:37:47 PM »

Quote from: Dante Rising on October 29, 2015, 12:15:13 PM

and then drive over to Borders Bookstore.

Borders...  crybaby crybaby crybaby crybaby crybaby

I miss them so. We had three in Orlando, but the Winter Park one was the best, having an awesome history section. They had me hooked by sending me a weekly coupon; I'd get 40% off on one book and buy two or three others on the logic that they might be gone by the time we came back over.

Still, I'm doing OK between BookMooch, PaperbackSwap and the Chamblin Bookmine in Jacksonville.
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« Reply #11 on: October 29, 2015, 03:42:19 PM »

Quote from: SeaMoosi on October 29, 2015, 01:11:49 AM

Quote from: Glycerine on October 28, 2015, 11:37:22 PM


No joke, this was both the subject matter of a lecture and on the final exam of a course I took in college. Thanks, Texas Tech!

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« Reply #12 on: October 29, 2015, 05:08:08 PM »

Definitely stick to smaller communities, like Tilt suggested. And when it comes to online games, find a good guild or team and don't socialize too much outside of it. It's sad to say, but video games are especially attractive to a particular type of person - the less educated and less accomplished. Some of this is simply due to age - I was a dumb teenager saying stupid things online at one point. But a lot of the problem stems from the fact that people are, literally, idiots. They don't have the same refinements that come from going to college or working in a professional environment. Additionally, internet is a bastion for certain personality types - the anti-social and the cynical. Naturally, because who would want to be around them? So, even if a person isn't doing anything overtly offensive, there's a lot of insidious rhetoric in the stuff they're saying.


So, I stick to places like GT and Qt3 and avoid places like NeoGAF, Steam forums, and comment sections.
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« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2015, 01:00:00 PM »

Yep, pretty much.  I've been somewhat active on the Steam Link forum recently (I've had a very good experience with the device, but it can be twitchy). It is breathtaking how many people argue the same brain-dead points over and over and over again, even after they've been exhaustively answered.
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« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2015, 11:53:46 AM »

On the offchance you haven't seen this:

"The Ballad of Billy John"
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« Reply #15 on: November 12, 2015, 11:05:02 PM »

imho, it boils down to volume. Most of the moderately selling games on Steam, the forums for them are relatively mature, and people are helpful and there's not too much name calling, insulting, ranting etc.

If a game's really popular, and a thousand people are in the threads warring with each other at a pace the moderator(s) can't keep pace with, then it gets ugly.

That's me stereotyping, based on what I've seen the last several years.

And really, I think it's great that Steam offers a forum for every game offered, from AAA-budget developers down to one-person indy devs. You get your own forum there.

fwiw, for years I've recommend GT forums to friends of mine. I've been here since around 2007-2008 after a temporary falling out at a smaller forum. But most of the folks I tried to convince to hang out here didn't stay. Some said we're one big "clique" and new posters either aren't welcome or they're ignored. Others didn't like the feeling of being on a large forum with masses of posters -- essentially feeling like a "nobody" here. That's not my take on GT forums though.  icon_smile

But I'm still on smaller forums where the activity level is so low there's simply nobody to communicate with. I like sharing news tidbits here because we have a decent size audience. But if I share stuff at smaller forums, it's like just blathering into thin air.  icon_smile

I'm just saying, people only have their own experiences to draw on at forums and so we all tend to say "this place is this way" based on that, but not everyone has that experience, and different game genres often draw different kinds of posters to discuss them. So I don't think the Steam forums in general are all that bad -- but many of the most popular games on Steam draw huge crowds of forum posters who want to yell and insult each other en masse. And I find that has the effect of making it seem like All the forums there are like that.
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« Reply #16 on: November 13, 2015, 01:03:16 AM »

Quote from: Blackjack on November 12, 2015, 11:05:02 PM


fwiw, for years I've recommend GT forums to friends of mine. I've been here since around 2007-2008 after a temporary falling out at a smaller forum. But most of the folks I tried to convince to hang out here didn't stay. Some said we're one big "clique" and new posters either aren't welcome or they're ignored. Others didn't like the feeling of being on a large forum with masses of posters -- essentially feeling like a "nobody" here. That's not my take on GT forums though.  icon_smile

I'm surprised that people you've brought here felt like they weren't welcome. I haven't experienced that, but I do see some topics being ignored. I think that is simply related to low traffic coupled with a topic that doesn't get much interest.

I do agree that it is very cool to see just about EVERY game on Steam get its own forum. Sometimes it is the only place I can find the answer to a particular puzzle in an RPG or adventure game.
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