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Question: What was your PC GOAT of the Year for 2004?  (Voting closed: December 16, 2004, 03:13:56 PM)
Doom 3 - 23 (26.4%)
World of Warcraft - 13 (14.9%)
Half-Life 2 - 11 (12.6%)
Spider-Man 2 for PC - 29 (33.3%)
Everquest 2 - 4 (4.6%)
Star Wars: Battlegrounds - 7 (8%)
Total Voters: 87

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« on: December 16, 2004, 03:13:56 PM »

Which PC game was God-awful, Obnoxious And Terrible? In other words, what was your GOAT of the year for 2004? It might be the worst PC game this year. It might just be one you had high hopes for and were dashed mercilessly to the ground.

Please vote from the choices above.  I added any game to the poll that was mentioned at least 3 times in the previous GOAT thread.

Some of the choices frankly boggle my mind but I let the audience speak!
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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2004, 03:55:23 PM »

Most of those choices are ridiculous... it looks like a GOTY poll, not a GOAT poll.
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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2004, 04:12:05 PM »

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Most of those choices are ridiculous... it looks like a GOTY poll, not a GOAT poll.

I agree.  But people feel the need to rag on high-profile games (check out the original thread for several examples) and it's not practical to list all 20 or so games that were mentioned.

Like I said, some of the choices are mind-boggling.
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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2004, 04:21:40 PM »

my vote goes to Spiderman 2...didn't even have to think about it.  the rest of those games are actually considered pretty damn good by a large portion of the gaming public, but Spiderman 2 was a slap in the face of PC gamers.  giving us a mediocre kiddy version the game, while still advertising it the same as the much better console versions, was an unforgivable move.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2004, 04:23:10 PM »

One of those games shows up in gamerankings list of the ten lowest-rated PC games of the year.  Three show up in the top ten.  How could this possibly be a good way to determine which is the most god-awful terrible game of the year?  More like "Which well-received game didn't you like?"
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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2004, 04:33:49 PM »

Oooo!  Can we vote more than once?  I'm really torn between Doom 3 and EQ2.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2004, 04:51:03 PM »

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One of those games shows up in gamerankings list of the ten lowest-rated PC games of the year.  Three show up in the top ten.  How could this possibly be a good way to determine which is the most god-awful terrible game of the year?  More like "Which well-received game didn't you like?"


Or "Which popular game is it currently cool to hate?"
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2004, 05:14:19 PM »

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One of those games shows up in gamerankings list of the ten lowest-rated PC games of the year.  Three show up in the top ten.  How could this possibly be a good way to determine which is the most god-awful terrible game of the year?  More like "Which well-received game didn't you like?"


Or "Which popular game is it currently cool to hate?"
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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2004, 06:30:45 PM »

Ooo, someone voted for World of Warcraft!  Scandalous!

Now I wish I'd used my vote against EQ2...   :cry:
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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2004, 12:37:21 AM »

Like you all don't know that I'm voting the shitbag company that tried to force spyware onto my computer....
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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2004, 01:15:31 AM »

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Like you all don't know that I'm voting the shitbag company that tried to force spyware onto my computer....


Maybe if you define "spyware" as any sofware that connects to the internet...

Besides, delivery system != game
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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2004, 01:52:02 AM »

other:  Vampires Bloodlines
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« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2004, 02:22:06 AM »

HL 2 for requiring single player connection to Steam. Bad precedent for gamers, enough to override the fun the game(the little I've played of it) unquestionably is to play.
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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2004, 03:31:07 AM »

THREE against World of Warcraft now?  Show yourselves, demons!
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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2004, 09:48:51 AM »

Got to be Beyond Divinity. I voted for WoW though, since it wasn't listed.
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« Reply #15 on: December 17, 2004, 02:14:47 PM »

I didn't actually think any of those games were bad.  I'm not a hater of popular games.  But since I wanted to get in on the fun I randomly picked WoW.  I was the first vote against it  :oops:
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« Reply #16 on: December 17, 2004, 05:34:08 PM »

Well, Spiderman 2 was hardly a popular game. Perhaps if they had ported over the console version, it might have stood a chance, but it was an ultra-simplified platformer.
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« Reply #17 on: December 17, 2004, 06:28:48 PM »

Other: Soldner- Worst game out of any year.
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« Reply #18 on: December 17, 2004, 06:47:06 PM »

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Other: Soldner- Worst game out of any year.


Definately. Ugh, the demo was horrible.
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« Reply #19 on: December 17, 2004, 07:30:44 PM »

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Other: Soldner- Worst game out of any year.


this guy has a point.  

I saw we start this thread over again, put in the real goats like soldner and the other 2 up there that belong.  Then we shun anyone who speaks out against a game to be cool lol.
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« Reply #20 on: December 18, 2004, 01:44:19 AM »

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Maybe if you define "spyware" as any sofware that connects to the internet...  


..and if you took the time to read the Privacy policy of Valve, which explicitly states they reserve the right to collect personal identifiable info and track your activites online with Steam.  And they also left a loophole that states if they contract with a third party, they can give them information without your prior approval...

So, in your universe, what exactly does spyware do?


(I Love these guys that think if it isn't titled "Spyware 2.0", then it's completely benevolent.)
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« Reply #21 on: December 19, 2004, 11:47:47 AM »

I voted Spiderman since the version the PC got was horrible compared to the console version.  It was either that or SW, but I might have had fun with the SW game if it weren't for the tiny maps that shipped with it.
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« Reply #22 on: December 19, 2004, 04:23:59 PM »

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Maybe if you define "spyware" as any sofware that connects to the internet...  


..and if you took the time to read the Privacy policy of Valve, which explicitly states they reserve the right to collect personal identifiable info and track your activites online with Steam.  And they also left a loophole that states if they contract with a third party, they can give them information without your prior approval...

So, in your universe, what exactly does spyware do?


(I Love these guys that think if it isn't titled "Spyware 2.0", then it's completely benevolent.)


Spyware generally implies that it's installed secretly, running in the background, without your consent.  You have to choose to install Steam, and you can turn it off at will.

As for tracking activities online - you don't think id/blizzard/any MMORPG dev doesn't keep detailed info on who is playing what on their online games?

(I love these guys that think if it simply connects to the internet, then it's completely malevolent.)
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« Reply #23 on: December 20, 2004, 12:15:24 AM »

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Point 1) Ah! But I thought Steam was meant to be an ANTI-Piracy tool?  These people aren't a legal authority so what right do they have to track my online activities?

Point 2) Half-Life 2 is NOT an MMO.  Please try again using a valid argument.

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« Reply #24 on: December 20, 2004, 01:01:42 AM »

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Point 1) Ah! But I thought Steam was meant to be an ANTI-Piracy tool?  

Well that and an electronic distribution method.  And a way for Valve to automatically patch its applications.  And a way to purchase software online.
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« Reply #25 on: December 20, 2004, 02:17:13 AM »

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Ball in your court.
Steam only runs when you tell it to, unlike Spyware, which runs without your permission.

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« Reply #26 on: December 20, 2004, 03:53:52 AM »

If GOAT means God Awful And Terrible then good games that disappointed some people shouldn't be allowed.  That doesn't exactly fit the description.  If games like WoW, HL2, and Doom3 are on a GOAT list then I feel it's already invalidated.
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« Reply #27 on: December 20, 2004, 10:30:29 PM »

The vast majority of gamers were extremely let down by Doom 3, so yes, it deserves to be on a list that reflects the worst of 2004.  Worse than Big Rig Racing?  No.  But it had much higher standards to live up to.  Good and Bad are not black and white concepts.  They're relative.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2004, 01:51:32 AM »

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Steam only runs when you tell it to, unlike Spyware, which runs without your permission.  


Point.
Oh, but wait! Can I play in offline mode while still having an active internet connection?  (I believe the answer is 'no'.)  Oh, so Steam is now dictating to me my computer usage?  So their software operates/accesses based on their choice, not mine?

Ball back at you.

(You have me short-handed because of my ignorance.  As I refuse to install Steam on my PC, I have no first-hand knowledge, only what I pick up in forums and FAQ's on Steampowered, here,etc)
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« Reply #29 on: December 21, 2004, 06:45:01 AM »

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Oh, but wait! Can I play in offline mode while still having an active internet connection?  (I believe the answer is 'no'.)  Oh, so Steam is now dictating to me my computer usage?  So their software operates/accesses based on their choice, not mine?

Ball back at you.

(You have me short-handed because of my ignorance.  As I refuse to install Steam on my PC, I have no first-hand knowledge, only what I pick up in forums and FAQ's on Steampowered, here,etc)

yes, you can play in offline mode with an active internet connection.  all you have to do is set your firewall to block Steam's access to the internet...same effect as disabling your internet connection, but all other programs will still have net access.

be careful what you're reading...there are a lot of anti-Steam people out there that write things that aren't necessarily true...
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« Reply #30 on: December 21, 2004, 12:40:21 PM »

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be careful what you're reading...there are a lot of anti-Steam people out there that write things that aren't necessarily true...

Steam got my computer hooked on teh crack!!!!11!
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« Reply #31 on: December 21, 2004, 04:30:32 PM »

Steam raped my puppy and kicks old ladies down the stairs!!!11
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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2004, 06:04:43 PM »

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Oh, so Steam is now dictating to me my computer usage?  So their software operates/accesses based on their choice, not mine?


Uh, no.

It's pretty straightforward:

You want to play Half-Life 2.

By playing Half-Life 2, you have to go through Steam.

Thus, if you want to play Half-Life 2, you have to go through Steam.

Bada bing.  Steam is still your choice.  By playing Half-Life 2, you tell Steam to connect to the internet.

If you want an offline mode... go offline.  Turn off your modem or restrict Steam through your Firewall.  Tada!  Offline mode.
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« Reply #33 on: December 22, 2004, 09:11:21 PM »

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yes, you can play in offline mode with an active internet connection. all you have to do is set your firewall to block Steam's access to the internet...same effect as disabling your internet connection, but all other programs will still have net access.  


Thanks for the debunking Disarm.  As I said, I have an ignorance problem in that I have no desire to first-hand learn just how instrusive Steam *might* be.  As for 'not believing everything you read' - that goes without saying on the internet.  I'm having a large problem finding a trustable forum for filtering 'mindless defense of Steam" from true valid points on why Steam isn't really so bad.
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« Reply #34 on: December 23, 2004, 05:32:09 PM »

Sorry but I'm doing a write in for a real goat.

Beyond Divinity.  That game took a potential franchise and with one poorly thought out game design, washed the whole lines future down the toilet.

I cant even bring myself to thing of Divine Divinity 2, the bad aftertaste of BD is still fresh. Oh and to add pain to misery, BD came with starforce,
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« Reply #35 on: December 30, 2004, 03:27:46 AM »

Add my vote for HL2. I've been fooling with it for three days and it STILL will not run in off-line mode. Valve, I hope you enjoyed getting my son's fifty bucks - cause you'll never see any more from us.
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« Reply #36 on: January 01, 2005, 07:20:31 AM »

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Add my vote for HL2. I've been fooling with it for three days and it STILL will not run in off-line mode. Valve, I hope you enjoyed getting my son's fifty bucks - cause you'll never see any more from us.
So play it with online mode.

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« Reply #37 on: January 01, 2005, 03:47:26 PM »

They said it is available to play in offline mode, so he he shouldn't have to do anything else.
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« Reply #38 on: January 01, 2005, 06:05:52 PM »

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They said it is available to play in offline mode, so he he shouldn't have to do anything else.
Evidently he's not truly offline if it's not working for him.

Try physically disconnecting your network cable (be it broadband or phone line) from your computer's modem.  That should make offline mode work fine.

I'm just not sure why people have a problem playing the game online if they're already online.  You do realize that by merely opening a connection to 'the internet,' you're putting your computer at a risk far and beyond what Steam is capable of, don't you?
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« Reply #39 on: January 01, 2005, 08:12:06 PM »

Or you can just put a shortcut to your network connection on the desktop and right click -> disable. This is a toggle, so you can do the same thing to re-enable it. Better than screwing with cables.
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