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« Reply #1080 on: June 11, 2013, 03:32:27 AM »

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Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 03:22:58 AM

That's really funny.  I'm pretty stunned that Microsoft botched this so badly.   Pure arrogance.  Total 180 from last gen.

So now I'm curious. Why did Microsoft fuck this up so badly this generation? What were they thinking? And how did Sony get away without offering the same things? Wouldn't the publishers want the same thing on all consoles?
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« Reply #1082 on: June 11, 2013, 03:34:52 AM »

MS, probably figured that they were MS and could do what they want...
Realistically, even though it seems that Sony one this round, I have no doubts that the XB1 will still have massive sales, thus reinforcing MS's position.. (PS4 will have massive sales as well)
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« Reply #1083 on: June 11, 2013, 03:34:56 AM »

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« Reply #1084 on: June 11, 2013, 03:35:55 AM »

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« Reply #1085 on: June 11, 2013, 03:36:03 AM »

Well, I don't see myself being an early adopter for either. I am much more inclined to buy a PS4 over the XBone at this point, based on what I know now, but I doubt it will happen in 2013 or next year. I wish Sony would offer a controller with the left stick in the "correct" position. I hate Sony's controllers.

I'd still like to know the viability of hacking either new system into being an actual gaming PC given the apparent PC architecture they both have.
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« Reply #1086 on: June 11, 2013, 03:36:11 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 03:32:27 AM

Quote from: Kurt Stevens on June 11, 2013, 03:30:58 AM

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That's really funny.  I'm pretty stunned that Microsoft botched this so badly.   Pure arrogance.  Total 180 from last gen.

So now I'm curious. Why did Microsoft fuck this up so badly this generation? What were they thinking? And how did Sony get away without offering the same things? Wouldn't the publishers want the same thing on all consoles?

It seems we've all just received an important lesson in the power balance between publishers and console manufacturers. The power seems to reside mostly on the latter if tonight is anything to go by.
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« Reply #1087 on: June 11, 2013, 03:36:11 AM »

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« Reply #1088 on: June 11, 2013, 03:37:04 AM »

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« Reply #1089 on: June 11, 2013, 03:37:29 AM »

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MS, probably figured that they were MS and could do what they want...
Realistically, even though it seems that Sony one this round, I have no doubts that the XB1 will still have massive sales, thus reinforcing MS's position.. (PS4 will have massive sales as well)

If you read the rumors, MS has been caught very flat footed this gen - supposedly they have only been working on the Xbone for 2 years vs. 4 years for Sony. In addition, they supposedly approached publishers about the DRM, rather than the other way around. Just rumors, though.
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« Reply #1090 on: June 11, 2013, 03:38:14 AM »

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« Reply #1091 on: June 11, 2013, 03:38:45 AM »

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I'd still like to know the viability of hacking either new system into being an actual gaming PC given the apparent PC architecture they both have.

there is that.  could be interesting.
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« Reply #1092 on: June 11, 2013, 03:39:04 AM »

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« Reply #1094 on: June 11, 2013, 03:40:26 AM »

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so now its PS3 B/C as well now with that cloud thing?

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« Reply #1095 on: June 11, 2013, 03:40:53 AM »

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« Reply #1096 on: June 11, 2013, 03:42:12 AM »

Microsoft execs reaction at Sony's PS4 announcement:

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« Reply #1097 on: June 11, 2013, 03:42:25 AM »

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MS, probably figured that they were MS and could do what they want...
Realistically, even though it seems that Sony one this round, I have no doubts that the XB1 will still have massive sales, thus reinforcing MS's position.. (PS4 will have massive sales as well)
If you read the rumors, MS has been caught very flat footed this gen - supposedly they have only been working on the Xbone for 2 years vs. 4 years for Sony. In addition, they supposedly approached publishers about the DRM, rather than the other way around. Just rumors, though.

That is the absolutely stupidest thing that you could possibly do if true. Why would you ask the publishers what they'd want when they're so extremely biased about used games?
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« Reply #1098 on: June 11, 2013, 03:42:32 AM »

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« Reply #1099 on: June 11, 2013, 03:44:18 AM »

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so now its PS3 B/C as well now with that cloud thing?

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er...i really can't

they said something about playing critically acclaimed PS3 games over the cloud on the PS4....thats all i know



a message(that lasts an hour) to Microsoft from SONY..you only need the first 10-20 seconds to get the idea
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=BM1fNzIWXU8#!
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« Reply #1100 on: June 11, 2013, 03:45:58 AM »

it's in the clouds man!
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« Reply #1101 on: June 11, 2013, 03:47:46 AM »

Well... shit. I was getting excited about jumping from consoles back to pc gaming, but now Sony has made a strong play for my money. If only I actually liked playing games on my PS3...
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« Reply #1102 on: June 11, 2013, 03:48:16 AM »

Quote from: Misguided on June 11, 2013, 03:40:26 AM

Quote from: metallicorphan on June 11, 2013, 03:02:43 AM

so now its PS3 B/C as well now with that cloud thing?

'Splain please

They announced that selected PS3 games would be available to play through Gaikai in 2014, coming to the US first. It's not true BC, but it's still way better than what Microsoft is offering, and it can only get better with time.
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« Reply #1103 on: June 11, 2013, 03:49:08 AM »

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« Reply #1104 on: June 11, 2013, 03:51:03 AM »

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« Reply #1105 on: June 11, 2013, 03:55:06 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 03:42:25 AM

Quote from: Teggy on June 11, 2013, 03:37:29 AM

Quote from: Punisher on June 11, 2013, 03:34:52 AM

MS, probably figured that they were MS and could do what they want...
Realistically, even though it seems that Sony one this round, I have no doubts that the XB1 will still have massive sales, thus reinforcing MS's position.. (PS4 will have massive sales as well)
If you read the rumors, MS has been caught very flat footed this gen - supposedly they have only been working on the Xbone for 2 years vs. 4 years for Sony. In addition, they supposedly approached publishers about the DRM, rather than the other way around. Just rumors, though.

That is the absolutely stupidest thing that you could possibly do if true. Why would you ask the publishers what they'd want when they're so extremely biased about used games?

Not that they asked them what they wanted - MS wanted a cut of used game sales, so they proposed this mode to the publishers.
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« Reply #1106 on: June 11, 2013, 03:59:01 AM »

Quote from: Teggy on June 11, 2013, 03:55:06 AM

Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 03:42:25 AM

Quote from: Teggy on June 11, 2013, 03:37:29 AM

Quote from: Punisher on June 11, 2013, 03:34:52 AM

MS, probably figured that they were MS and could do what they want...
Realistically, even though it seems that Sony one this round, I have no doubts that the XB1 will still have massive sales, thus reinforcing MS's position.. (PS4 will have massive sales as well)
If you read the rumors, MS has been caught very flat footed this gen - supposedly they have only been working on the Xbone for 2 years vs. 4 years for Sony. In addition, they supposedly approached publishers about the DRM, rather than the other way around. Just rumors, though.

That is the absolutely stupidest thing that you could possibly do if true. Why would you ask the publishers what they'd want when they're so extremely biased about used games?

Not that they asked them what they wanted - MS wanted a cut of used game sales, so they proposed this mode to the publishers.

Yes...remember we are on back peddle #3 by Microsoft.

When it was first mentioned it was implied that you would have to pay Microsoft a fee for used game activation.   When that got a violent reaction they said 'nah... we will let you trade it once to friends who you have on your list for 30 days'.    Then another back peddle today --  we will leave it up to publishers or something.

The motivation all along was that Microsoft wanted to grab money on used games.  Pure and simple.   Everything since has been a back peddle.
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« Reply #1107 on: June 11, 2013, 04:02:15 AM »

I am completely stunned that Sony just blew Microsoft out of the water so epically. They hit on just about every bullet point they needed to execute on. I, along with many of you, have been following the console wars for years and I can't recall a more decisive whipping in recent history. I'm super excited about PS4 and will gladly put in my preorder ASAP.
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« Reply #1108 on: June 11, 2013, 04:06:09 AM »

My favorite quote so far about this whole thing:

"My god, it was like the Red Wedding of console announcements."

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« Reply #1109 on: June 11, 2013, 04:14:50 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on June 11, 2013, 04:06:09 AM

My favorite quote so far about this whole thing:

"My god, it was like the Red Wedding of console announcements."

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ok, that was awesome.  of course what comes next..... paranoid
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« Reply #1110 on: June 11, 2013, 04:33:17 AM »

Well Microsoft has got to backpedal on something now. It would be suicidal not to.

But let's say they do the trifecta of stance changes: allow used games, nix constant online DRM, and lower the price to $400. Is that enough?

For me, no way*.  This isn't like last time when we were also choosing whether to ride the blu-ray or HDDVD horse to the finish, or whether or not cell processing would be magical or cumbersome, or if discs or cartridges would be better.  Hardware capability-wise, the two are identical for just about everyone's needs. But Sony took their stance; Microsoft took theirs. Sony's wins. And Sony making a better show of supporting indie devs in the next generation? That's more than just icing on the cake; it's a whole extra cake on a cake.

My Amazon preorder is in for both my PS4 and my SDF membership card.

*Of course I will backpedal on everything I just said after a few XBone must-have exclusives hit and the console gets its first price drop.
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« Reply #1111 on: June 11, 2013, 04:43:03 AM »

Wow. For those who didn't see the livestream, go watch this video when they announced 'no restrictions on used games and everything else that Microsoft fucked up on and hard':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-To7WJyWs

Sony KNOWS they have Microsoft beat. Totally beat. Right there.
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« Reply #1112 on: June 11, 2013, 04:49:48 AM »

Oh wow, according to Eurogamer, Sony is requiring remote play on all PS4 titles, unless they require special hardware like the camera.
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« Reply #1113 on: June 11, 2013, 04:52:17 AM »

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Oh wow, according to Eurogamer, Sony is requiring remote play on all PS4 titles, unless they require special hardware like the camera.

Correct. Been known for a few days at least at this point. So you'll be able to play most of your PS4 library on the go on your Vita anywhere.
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« Reply #1114 on: June 11, 2013, 04:56:58 AM »

Random questions since I missed most all of the reveals:

Cross party chat in the PS+ like Live?
PS3 price drop? I want a super slim cheap.
They show the new 360? Price?
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« Reply #1115 on: June 11, 2013, 04:58:58 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 04:52:17 AM

Quote from: Misguided on June 11, 2013, 04:49:48 AM

Oh wow, according to Eurogamer, Sony is requiring remote play on all PS4 titles, unless they require special hardware like the camera.

Correct. Been known for a few days at least at this point. So you'll be able to play most of your PS4 library on the go on your Vita anywhere.

I've said multiple times that I wish they had done that with the PS3. This is a really compelling feature, IMO, one I might consider buying a Vita for if it weren't for the fact I've played nothing on a console or handheld in many months. Everything has been PC or iPad. Hell, I bought Laton on 3DS and barely played it.
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« Reply #1116 on: June 11, 2013, 04:59:28 AM »

Quote from: Kagath on June 11, 2013, 04:56:58 AM

Random questions since I missed most all of the reveals:

Cross party chat in the PS+ like Live?
PS3 price drop? I want a super slim cheap.
They show the new 360? Price?

Yes, cross game chat on ps4. Basically talk to anyone on your friends list.

No PS3 price drop announced.

As for remote play, it was too late to do that requirement for the PS3. Too many games late in development, and the networking hardware and OS drivers were all over the place, varying from system to system. Also, the PS3 was already at its limits, it didn't have any extra processing power to both run the gameplay, and capture encode and send video to an external source for most games besides ones that really set aside power for it. The PS4 has its built in streaming chip and a whole lot of memory, so it's more doable here.

I would not be surprised if there was a new Vita model with functionality that better matches the DS4 controller, and has gigabit wifi.
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« Reply #1117 on: June 11, 2013, 05:10:11 AM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 04:43:03 AM

Wow. For those who didn't see the livestream, go watch this video when they announced 'no restrictions on used games and everything else that Microsoft fucked up on and hard':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-To7WJyWs

Sony KNOWS they have Microsoft beat. Totally beat. Right there.

LOL, what an obscene beatdown of Microsoft. Tretton looked like the cat that swallowed the canary.
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« Reply #1118 on: June 11, 2013, 05:15:07 AM »

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Quote from: Destructor on June 11, 2013, 04:43:03 AM

Wow. For those who didn't see the livestream, go watch this video when they announced 'no restrictions on used games and everything else that Microsoft fucked up on and hard':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJ-To7WJyWs

Sony KNOWS they have Microsoft beat. Totally beat. Right there.

LOL, what an obscene beatdown of Microsoft. Tretton looked like the cat that swallowed the canary.

I sat here in the middle of the night, wearing headphones, when I caught myself applauding during that part. biggrin
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