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« Reply #160 on: June 10, 2009, 08:13:24 PM »

Wow, I have no idea why I missed that. I didn't even catch it on my second read through your post, and had to use Find in Page.  retard
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« Reply #161 on: June 10, 2009, 08:14:41 PM »

Quote from: EddieA on June 10, 2009, 07:31:56 PM

I definitely don't like this new Bioware.  It seems like all they can talk about is sex and gore.  This turn towards the juvenile (while trying to call it "mature") is very disturbing.

Seems mainly confined to the Dragon Age team.  For Mass Effect 2 it seems like they've been focusing more on the various decisions you'll make in the game and the impact that they have rather if there are more sex scenes.  And of course the Old Republic team can't really focus on sex and gore considering the IP they are playing with.  
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« Reply #162 on: June 10, 2009, 08:22:08 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on June 10, 2009, 08:13:24 PM

Wow, I have no idea why I missed that. I didn't even catch it on my second read through your post, and had to use Find in Page.  retard

it's cool, a lot of times i skim posts too. i mean i didn't dedicated anything more than a sentence, heh.
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« Reply #163 on: June 10, 2009, 08:36:59 PM »

Quote from: Daehawk on June 10, 2009, 07:20:22 PM

Anyone think if I fired up Baldur's Gate 2 and it's addon now if I could finish before Dragon Age comes out?

That combo is somewhere between 50 and 100 hours of the best old-school RPG gaming you could possibly put yourself through. I think it could be done.
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« Reply #164 on: June 10, 2009, 10:13:21 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 10, 2009, 08:14:41 PM

Quote from: EddieA on June 10, 2009, 07:31:56 PM

I definitely don't like this new Bioware.  It seems like all they can talk about is sex and gore.  This turn towards the juvenile (while trying to call it "mature") is very disturbing.

Seems mainly confined to the Dragon Age team.  For Mass Effect 2 it seems like they've been focusing more on the various decisions you'll make in the game and the impact that they have rather if there are more sex scenes.  And of course the Old Republic team can't really focus on sex and gore considering the IP they are playing with.  

It doesn't seem too bad with Mass Effect 2, but it some of the pre-E3 videos spent an inordinate amount of time talking about how you could blow parts off of enemies.  I think ME2 will turn out fine, but I'm worried about future games, especially if Dragon Age sells well.
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« Reply #165 on: June 10, 2009, 10:46:39 PM »

Bioware isn't going down that route guys.  However, for marketing purposes, sex and violence sells in the US, plain and simple.  We need look no further than the biggest selling console games, CoD4/5, GTA4, Halo, Gears, etc.

If you look over some earlier vids, you see a lot of classic Baldur's Gate style RPG gameplay.
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« Reply #166 on: June 10, 2009, 10:56:19 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 10, 2009, 10:46:39 PM

Bioware isn't going down that route guys.  However, for marketing purposes, sex and violence sells in the US, plain and simple.  We need look no further than the biggest selling console games, CoD4/5, GTA4, Halo, Gears, etc.

If you look over some earlier vids, you see a lot of classic Baldur's Gate style RPG gameplay.

Flower sold pretty well I'm told ;-)
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« Reply #167 on: June 11, 2009, 12:55:33 AM »

The marketing has definitely "worked" on me. This has gone from absolute day 1 purchase on PC if I think my system can handle it or 360 if I don't to a "I am definitely waiting for reviews and player impressions of at least a week before even touching this". Well done Bioware!
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« Reply #168 on: June 11, 2009, 03:17:32 AM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 10, 2009, 10:46:39 PM

Bioware isn't going down that route guys.  However, for marketing purposes, sex and violence sells in the US, plain and simple.  We need look no further than the biggest selling console games, CoD4/5, GTA4, Halo, Gears, etc.
Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) today announced that the hotly anticipated The Sims™ 3, stormed retail shelves starting June 2nd and sold thru more than 1.4 million PC/Mac units within the first week making it the best-selling PC launch in EA’s history.
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« Reply #169 on: June 11, 2009, 08:56:49 AM »

And what?  Should I point out to you guys the just as high sales numbers on those very violent games?  The games that practically built the 360's success?

You can name those other games all you want, but my example does explain why their marketing team would go the route of advertising with sex and violence.

Meanwhile, your example of Sims 3 is for an entirely different sector of the games market, the kind of people who play the sims aren't the ones who would look into anything remotely like Dragon Age.
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« Reply #170 on: June 11, 2009, 09:09:33 AM »

Quote from: cheeba on June 11, 2009, 03:17:32 AM

Quote from: Turtle on June 10, 2009, 10:46:39 PM

Bioware isn't going down that route guys.  However, for marketing purposes, sex and violence sells in the US, plain and simple.  We need look no further than the biggest selling console games, CoD4/5, GTA4, Halo, Gears, etc.
Electronic Arts Inc. (NASDAQ:ERTS) today announced that the hotly anticipated The Sims™ 3, stormed retail shelves starting June 2nd and sold thru more than 1.4 million PC/Mac units within the first week making it the best-selling PC launch in EA’s history.

The Sims series is all about sex.
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« Reply #171 on: June 11, 2009, 09:14:24 AM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 11, 2009, 08:56:49 AM

the kind of people who play the sims aren't the ones who would look into anything remotely like Dragon Age.

You sure about that? Just check The Sims 3 topic. The Sims series is RPG. Dragon Age is RPG.

The Sims can also be about sex and violence. My main sim is a female journalist with life dream of having lots of lovers. Some people like to find new way to kill Sims. So you're right sex and violence sell games. smile

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« Reply #172 on: June 11, 2009, 01:12:47 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on June 11, 2009, 08:56:49 AM

You can name those other games all you want, but my example does explain why their marketing team would go the route of advertising with sex and violence.

Actually I don't really agree with your examples- CoD and Halo are relatively benign from a violence standpoint compared to what is being shown in the DA trailers.  Gears is certainly more violent but, again, I'd say the DA trailers are more extreme.  Even GTA4 isn't very graphically violent.  God of War would be a better example.  Or perhaps Fallout 3 since it seemed like a lot of the pre-release coverage focused on the bloody dismemberment options. 

And the sex thing is a non-starter- of your examples only GTA4 is remotely sold on sex. 
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« Reply #173 on: June 11, 2009, 05:46:15 PM »

I'm willing to keep an open mind. I would just worry that this new found emphasis on "blood and boobs" (confirmed by the almost literally blood-splattered official web site that requires you to enter your birthday year (not that anyone actually does that) is coming from EA and not from Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk and Co.

Every company that gets acquired by a monolithic publisher talks about "retaining their independence," but unless you're a 9 million ton gorilla like Blizzard, it's not necessarily easy to do that in the long run. If you eventually flush away a brand name's meaning and traditions in pursuit of the almighty buck and "a larger player base," sometimes all you do is flush away what made the brand name unique in the first place.

So there's my cautionary tale. Bioware though has already made its decision, and so it'll be interesting to see whether it's a successful step to a broader audience, or just shooting itself in the foot.

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« Reply #174 on: June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM »

Quote from: Blackjack on June 11, 2009, 05:46:15 PM

I'm willing to keep an open mind. I would just worry that this new found emphasis on "blood and boobs" (confirmed by the almost literally blood-splattered official web site that requires you to enter your birthday year (not that anyone actually does that) is coming from EA and not from Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk and Co.

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 
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« Reply #175 on: June 11, 2009, 06:01:38 PM »

Bah, I see no reason to scapegoat EA.  Given the drastically different marketing for ME2 and Old Republic compared to DA as well as the DA team being aggressive in taking ownership for the marketing, and the way the team decided to lead the E3 game demonstrations with sex first, combat second, I think the Dragon Age team should be held responsible for the what we know of the game so far.
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« Reply #176 on: June 11, 2009, 06:24:22 PM »

In regards to the blood I think this us going to be a lot more violent than their previous games. Baldurs Gate or NWN didn't have the ability to really show someone being run through with a big bladed weapon, and I'm looking forward to the large scale battles the game hints at.
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« Reply #177 on: June 11, 2009, 06:26:19 PM »

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and I'm looking forward to the large scale battles the game hints at.

I'm curious how much of that is still in.  When first announced back in the Dark Ages, the big selling point was that they were going to somehow translate LOTR scale battles into a conventional RPG.   But we haven't seen much of that scale yet in the final product and what we have seen seems to be confined to cutscenes. 
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« Reply #178 on: June 11, 2009, 08:47:57 PM »

I think I must be living under a rock, because I missed all this stuff about boobs and blood. The DA footage I saw from E3 featured a battle with a giant dragon and looked awesome. Was there some recent soft porn DA presentation that I missed or something?
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« Reply #179 on: June 11, 2009, 08:59:28 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on June 11, 2009, 08:47:57 PM

I think I must be living under a rock, because I missed all this stuff about boobs and blood. The DA footage I saw from E3 featured a battle with a giant dragon and looked awesome. Was there some recent soft porn DA presentation that I missed or something?

It started with the recent trailers that were scored with a Marylin Manson tune ("This is the New Shit") and seemed to focus just on graphic violence.  Then Bioware's E3 presentation consisted of two parts- the first was the game's romance system where they showed off the character flirting and sleeping with one NPC only to be confronted by another NPC you have a romantic interest in.  The dragon battle was the second part of that presentation. 

You can read summaries of the presentation from Shacknews as well as the RPS link above. 
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« Reply #180 on: June 11, 2009, 10:50:18 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 11, 2009, 01:12:47 PM

Quote from: Turtle on June 11, 2009, 08:56:49 AM

You can name those other games all you want, but my example does explain why their marketing team would go the route of advertising with sex and violence.

Actually I don't really agree with your examples- CoD and Halo are relatively benign from a violence standpoint compared to what is being shown in the DA trailers.  Gears is certainly more violent but, again, I'd say the DA trailers are more extreme.  Even GTA4 isn't very graphically violent.  God of War would be a better example.  Or perhaps Fallout 3 since it seemed like a lot of the pre-release coverage focused on the bloody dismemberment options. 

And the sex thing is a non-starter- of your examples only GTA4 is remotely sold on sex. 

Halo I'll give you, but CoD4/5 are certainly not benign.  I think we've been living in America too long that we consider that okay.  Mass Effect also had an sexual element that was touted on the media, that probably helped get people to look at the game based on controversy.  GTA, while just one game, practically sells on sex and violence alone.

What I think is just as funny is everyone is getting so hung up on this marketing method, where I just don't care all that much.  If it ends up affecting the game, there will be other games that do it right.  But as soon as I posted something that rationalizes their marketing decision 3-4 people jump in trying to unravel that like it means something, which I find kind of funny.

I'm actually more disturbed by the level of violence in the game than the sex, which after all is just another character interaction.  Although, I suppose violence is too, but it's less interesting in many ways and also rather abrupt.  slywink
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« Reply #181 on: June 12, 2009, 12:24:54 AM »

I just want a new Baldur's Gate game. Is that too much to ask?
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« Reply #182 on: June 12, 2009, 12:40:15 AM »

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I just want a new Baldur's Gate game. Is that too much to ask?

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« Reply #183 on: June 12, 2009, 01:35:03 AM »

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on June 11, 2009, 05:46:15 PM

I'm willing to keep an open mind. I would just worry that this new found emphasis on "blood and boobs" (confirmed by the almost literally blood-splattered official web site that requires you to enter your birthday year (not that anyone actually does that) is coming from EA and not from Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk and Co.

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.

They said deeper, darker, and more adult-themed, and (at least from what they've been showing), they're giving us shallower, dumber, and more aimed at horny teenagers.
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« Reply #184 on: June 12, 2009, 12:54:05 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

Quote from: Blackjack on June 11, 2009, 05:46:15 PM

I'm willing to keep an open mind. I would just worry that this new found emphasis on "blood and boobs" (confirmed by the almost literally blood-splattered official web site that requires you to enter your birthday year (not that anyone actually does that) is coming from EA and not from Ray Muzyka and Greg Zeschuk and Co.

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 

I don't think anyone has an issue with a "deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe."  In fact, I'd hazard a guess that most of us would probably enjoy such a universe.

However, they say one thing, and yet, the first real trailer they posted was a mishmash of idiotically juvenile shots (set to Marilyn Manson's "This is the new shit???"), people begin to question.  And rightfully so.  Because that trailer doesn't say "deeper, darker, more adult-themed"; it says 13 year old masturbatory fantasy.

Still a day 1 purchase for me.  It's Bioware, after all.  But I can't say that I like their marketing tactics in the least.
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« Reply #185 on: June 12, 2009, 01:58:10 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 

A game inspired to be similar to GRRM's work would be fantastic. A game that looks more and more like an R-rated version of Uwe Boll's "Dungeon Siege" movie with each new presentation and trailer, on the other hand...
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« Reply #186 on: June 12, 2009, 02:58:46 PM »

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 

You're right man.  Those motherfuckers just aren't ready for this shit.  YEAH!   headbang
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« Reply #187 on: June 12, 2009, 03:05:49 PM »

Quote from: kathode on June 12, 2009, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 

You're right man.  Those motherfuckers just aren't ready for this shit.  YEAH!   headbang

you do realize you need to get your marketing people to use the Bloodhound Gangs 'Bad Touch' and show alot of wasteland prostitutes in any future Fallout commercials, right?  icon_twisted
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« Reply #188 on: June 12, 2009, 03:21:22 PM »

Quote from: kathode on June 12, 2009, 02:58:46 PM

Quote from: rittchard on June 11, 2009, 05:56:46 PM

I haven't seen what all the fuss is about, but I don't get why people are acting like this is some shock/surprise or as BJ says a "new found emphasis".  From the earliest announcements of Dragon Age, Bioware specifically said they were going for a deeper, darker, more adult-themed universe.  They specifically indicated one of their inspirations was Martin's A Song of Ice and Fire, and anyone who's read that knows that it is plenty "bloody and boobs." 

You're right man.  Those motherfuckers just aren't ready for this shit.  YEAH!   headbang

Hell yeah, assholes, this is the fucking NEW SHIT! headbang We've got a bug hunt and then some juicy peasant daughters to rescue from their virginity! GREY WARDENS ARE THE BADDASSEST BADASSES, MUTHAFUCKAS!
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« Reply #189 on: June 12, 2009, 03:29:12 PM »

Quote from: Eightball on June 12, 2009, 12:54:05 PM

However, they say one thing, and yet, the first real trailer they posted was a mishmash of idiotically juvenile shots (set to Marilyn Manson's "This is the new shit???"), people begin to question.  And rightfully so.  Because that trailer doesn't say "deeper, darker, more adult-themed"; it says 13 year old masturbatory fantasy.

Still a day 1 purchase for me.  It's Bioware, after all.  But I can't say that I like their marketing tactics in the least.

That right there is my complaint of how they're marketing the game. Nicely worded.

Will I still grab it Day 1? As previously said, it's a Bioware game after all. But as far as I'm concerned, they need to stop advertising to the SirHumpsAlot of Xbox Live and instead work on grabbing those people who used to play Baldur's Gate and such in the past.
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« Reply #190 on: June 12, 2009, 05:45:56 PM »

Well...now that I've viewed more of the presentations and have read some of the more recent posts here, I'm not sure the following is correct.

Quote from: Destructor on June 12, 2009, 03:29:12 PM

But as far as I'm concerned, they need to stop advertising to the SirHumpsAlot of Xbox Live and instead work on grabbing those people who used to play Baldur's Gate and such in the past.

It sounds from they're maketing approach, that Bioware may be trying to reach the larger market success that Fable 2 achieved. In many regards what they're emphasising were many of the strong cards for Fable II; gratuitous violence -blowing the heads off of enemies with a single musket shot- and a sexual undertone - sexual innuendos and solicitations from the public at large. IIRC Fable 2 set the new benchmark for single month RPG sales on the 360, so perhaps that's the target audience they want to reach. It also may be an attempt for Bioware to differentiate DA from Oblivion and Fallout 3. I mean if you're the Joe SirHumpsAlot that Destructor referred to and this game is being marketed to you as a Bioware RPG of the past, why would you choose it over Oblivion or F3 if you haven't played them yet?

I expect this game will end up being another excellent Bioware RPG of the type we've come to expect. The difference could be that they'll be an additional new audience playing it on the consoles.
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« Reply #191 on: June 17, 2009, 02:30:26 PM »

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The hard drive requirements will triple if you download and purchase through EA's Digital Downloader service. A Steam release is not yet confirmed.


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« Reply #192 on: June 17, 2009, 02:33:19 PM »

I JUST have the recommended specs (short of the NVidia video card - I have a 8800 GTX), so it looks like my gaming rig is in need of an upgrade sometime soon.
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« Reply #193 on: June 17, 2009, 02:39:00 PM »

Quote from: Destructor on June 17, 2009, 02:33:19 PM

I JUST have the recommended specs (short of the NVidia video card - I have a 8800 GTX), so it looks like my gaming rig is in need of an upgrade sometime soon.

I've seen benchmarks where the 8800 GTX was just a step above some versions of the 8800GTS and just a step below others, maybe they are talking about the lesser versions of the GTS  icon_wink
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« Reply #194 on: June 17, 2009, 03:34:58 PM »

Im above all specs so I am safe!! woooo. smile
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« Reply #195 on: June 17, 2009, 03:37:29 PM »

The dual core requirement kills it for me. I'll have to do some serious upgrading to be able to get this to run decently. See...I knew there was a reason I was planning on getting the 360 version.  slywink
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« Reply #196 on: June 17, 2009, 03:48:16 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on June 17, 2009, 03:37:29 PM

The dual core requirement kills it for me. I'll have to do some serious upgrading to be able to get this to run decently. See...I knew there was a reason I was planning on getting the 360 version.  slywink

I may end up doing some upgrading too, either to a new rig or upgrades to my current one.  I already know I'll be fine on the video card, upping my RAM will be cheap (hello Windows 7 64 bit RC) and my CPU should be fine with a couple of keystrokes.
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« Reply #197 on: June 17, 2009, 05:48:14 PM »

Console version for me, although with the game being as heavily blood/guts/sex oriented as it seems to be, I might not be able to play it with Mrs. Gratch is home - especially with the little one around.  That poses a bit of a problem...
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« Reply #198 on: June 17, 2009, 06:26:30 PM »

I don't have a quad core but I beat everything else. I'm not anticipating any issues.
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« Reply #199 on: June 17, 2009, 06:39:29 PM »

yay, i beat those! Well I have 4 gigs of ram, but that's plenty either way. Pc version for me all the way. Hopefully a SDK gets released for some mod action.
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