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« Reply #40 on: October 23, 2013, 03:00:30 AM »

Sons of Abraham is coming November 18th.
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« Reply #41 on: October 23, 2013, 03:04:46 AM »

Looks interesting, but I haven't fully explored the last two DLC add-ons completely yet. Probably get it at the first sale.
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« Reply #42 on: October 23, 2013, 05:03:19 AM »

I'm intrigued if this means a deeper religious system for the majority of countries in the game. That article was a little light on information though.
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« Reply #43 on: October 24, 2013, 02:42:49 AM »

i have been REALLY happy with the old gods pack... but a bunch of packs during one of the steam sales and couldn't get into it... old gods went on sale and I gave it a shot.

it is really fun duking it out in Britannia (currently around year 1200).

I was planning on trying a byzantine empire next, but now I might wait to start a new one after this new pack (SoA) comes out.


I disliked the fact that they made it so you had to buy little stuff like ruler designer... but when on sale 75% its more of an annoyance.
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« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2013, 05:38:05 PM »

a great thread on the paradox forum - what is your greatest soap opera moment in CK2?
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?729106-What-is-your-best-soap-opera-moment-in-CK2&s=a39acdec0c41f7b811bf62b07b0ec369

its tough to remember the ones from way back, but my most recent is that the current Britain emperor's mother (former empress/queen of England) married his cousin (the king of Scotland) and became queen of Scotland and produced a half-brother who was eventually murdered

my mothers husband is still my heir... lol   (though it would have been bizarre to re-unify the crowns through my half brother if I continue to not produce offspring)





also, I just saw this for the first time
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xIxrx5i1To

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« Reply #45 on: October 27, 2013, 07:28:47 PM »

2 marathon sessions has me in the 1300's now - finally produced offspring but scottland continues to rebel at every chance

experienced the sunset invasion - a nice change of pace but I think I would have it turned off in future games (more of an annoyance unlike the mongols - though it is nice to see some different culture).

One comment I will make about the old gods pack (and curious if others here experienced the same):
the norse completely dominated and almost completely wiped out all welsh/irish/anglo saxon culture.

In fact the only reason there are any irish and anglo Saxons left is that I made a point breed them up.

Also, I have been playing as an Anglo Saxon king/emperor for the last 300 years and almost all of Britain remains norse culture (managed to stomp out the religion though)

are you seeing the norse be this powerful and hard to get rid of in your games?
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« Reply #46 on: October 27, 2013, 09:43:24 PM »

What you're describing is unusual, but at least it's possible now. As far as I'm aware, Norway "never" managed to occupy England before The Old Gods. In my own game as Ireland (with The Old Gods), Norway was a thorn in the side for England for many years, but they were eventually driven off. Norse culture was limited in scope and eventually eradicated almost completely.
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« Reply #47 on: October 29, 2013, 05:11:49 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 27, 2013, 09:43:24 PM

As far as I'm aware, Norway "never" managed to occupy England before The Old Gods. In my own game as Ireland (with The Old Gods), Norway was a thorn in the side for England for many years, but they were eventually driven off. Norse culture was limited in scope and eventually eradicated almost completely.

Umm...you've noticed the Kingdom of Soreyar in what's now western Scotland on the map - right? Although there was a good deal of Irish Celtic blood mixed in with its inhabitants, it was really a kingdom of Norse Viking descendants. It eventually was known as the Lordship of the Islands and was perhaps the most influential kingdom in the formation of what became Scotland. If you include its history from its early occupation by Norse Vikings in the early 9th century up to the handover of the Orkneys to Scotland by Christian I in 1468, that's 600 years of occupation. That's almost twice as long as the Merovingian, Carolingian, Plantagenet and good many other medieval western European dynasties! Culturally it had a significant impact on Scotland, and the Norn language (derivative of Norse) spoken in Northern Scotland didn't fall out of use until the early 19th century.

The problem for Soreyar at the start of the CK II is that it occurs right after a major setback as some of Soreyar nobility fought with Harald Hardrada in his losing cause at the Battle of Stamford Bridge. Magnus Barefoot (Magnus Olavsson) came on the scene not much longer after that though, and started it on its path to the powerful Lordship of the Islands. As a kingdom it always had the problem of not having much support by the Kings of Norway, which led to a number of rebellions and it being proclaimed independent. A number of historians have speculated that if it would have been fully supported militarily by Norway it likely would have expanded to all of Scotland, Northern England and Ireland - maybe even northern Wales. So yeah, I wouldn't exactly call it just a "thorn in the side" of England.  I don't have The Old Gods expansion yet, but from Notrich's comments it sound like Paradox has taken a What If the Kingdom of Norway really pushed its interests in the British Isles approach to it.
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« Reply #48 on: October 29, 2013, 05:17:54 PM »

I know the historical basis behind all of this. After all, I am Norwegian. Tongue I was talking about what would typically happen in a game of Crusader Kings 2 before the Old Gods DLC was released.
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« Reply #49 on: October 29, 2013, 05:42:46 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 29, 2013, 05:17:54 PM

I know the historical basis behind all of this. After all, I am Norwegian. Tongue I was talking about what would typically happen in a game of Crusader Kings 2 before the Old Gods DLC was released.

Yup, I knew you were Norwegian - just making sure they taught you your history properly.  icon_wink  In Canada, being a nation primarily inhabited and built in modern times by peoples of Anglo-Saxon descent, the teaching of Viking culture in the Isles is handled as a; they came, conquered some and got their asses kicked out a century and a half later. So far from the truth. I only know better because I have Norse-Irish (Ragnal) blood on my maternal grandmothers side and have done the reading.

I've read of players building a successful dynasty from Soreya before the Old Gods, but they were experienced players and for everyone of them there was 3 players saying don't attempt it. If its sounds more possible since the expansion, I'm buying the DLC right after I finish my current game.
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« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2013, 05:46:44 PM »

To understand just how devastating the viking presence was, it's a fun exercise to play the Britannia board game. Everyone is trying to build up their small (or large) civilization in Britain, and it tends to go very well until the vikings appear and fuck up everything for everyone, over and over again. The only ones who can compete against them in the time period that game covers is the Roman Empire, and they go away quickly enough.
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« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2013, 05:54:09 PM »

Yup I have Britannia and have enjoyed it over the years. I've even modded it a bit by creating a 3 stage 2-player campaign (called it the Battles of Britannia) that works much better than the 2-player variants in the rules - at least my son and gaming buddies think it does. So far I've only finished the 1st phase up to the Roman exodus, but I'm currently about half way through the middle phase that concludes with the Viking invasion.
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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2013, 01:18:04 AM »

Quote from: kronovan on October 29, 2013, 05:42:46 PM


I've read of players building a successful dynasty from Soreya before the Old Gods, but they were experienced players and for everyone of them there was 3 players saying don't attempt it. If its sounds more possible since the expansion, I'm buying the DLC right after I finish my current game.
you might want to check out the forums for some tales of norse skipping Britain and going straight to Egypt

and there are going to be some fall sales... especially with a new dlc coming out... waiting a week or two might save you 75%


and please post a link of this Britannia board game you are speaking about - sounds cool
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« Reply #53 on: October 30, 2013, 02:47:25 AM »

This was box for the most recent edition of Britannia published by Fantasy Flight Games.



I say was, because it appears they're no longer publishing it. I wouldn't worry though if you looking to get it, because it's been reprinted a ridiculous number of times by many different publishers. The FFG edition was relatively inexpensive and you should still be able to find a new or good condition copy for a decent price if you shop around.
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