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« on: March 05, 2010, 02:05:35 PM »

So I started thinking today... Why not buy a 360 Elite? They're cheap enough that I'll barely notice the dent in this month's finances and it'll fill out my collection of modern gaming consoles (I've got a solid PC, a PS3, PSP, DS and Wii already). I found a site that sold it for cheap and then looked at the games available.

Nothing really called out to me.

I mean, I've got every multiplatform title I care about for the PS3 already. The most interesting 360-excusives (such as the Mass Effect games) I already have for the PC. Games like Fable 2, Halo 3 and Gears of Wars 2 all look moderately interesting, but nothing screams "must-have" about them. I would normally care about Forza 3, but my Logitech Momo steering wheel won't work with the 360 as far as I can tell, and I don't want to pay out my nose for hardware that Microsoft wants their share of money from. I've also already got NFS:Shift, Grid and Dirt 2 to keep me busy on the PC. If I want to hook the 360 up to my wireless network I have to buy another piece of hardware that costs a criminal sum of money compared to what I get for it.

So why should I buy the 360? Convince me! I'm not into multiplayer and video rental services are probably not available for it here in Norway. There's just nothing exclusive on the 360 that I can see that would appeal to me in the same way as Uncharted, Heavy Rain or Little Big Planet.
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« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2010, 02:11:10 PM »

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« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2010, 02:11:58 PM »

Even when I don't care about multiplayer?
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« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM »

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2010, 02:16:57 PM »

If the exclusives aren't interesting to you, no reason to buy it. I buy most multi-platform games on 360 because I prefer the controller. Obviously you're comfortable with the PS3 controller so I don't see any other reason to change.

Maybe games on XBLive that you can't get on PSN? An extension of the exclusives question really.
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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile
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« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2010, 02:19:47 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on March 05, 2010, 02:16:57 PM

Maybe games on XBLive that you can't get on PSN? An extension of the exclusives question really.

Yeah, that's one of the things I'm curious about. The 360 has had a lot of really tempting downloadable exclusives, but it seems most of them have been ported to PSN later. Are there any good ones you can recommend?
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« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2010, 02:20:55 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2010, 02:24:19 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:20:55 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2010, 02:26:39 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:20:55 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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I guess I'm confused by your question.  

You aren't interested in the 360 exclusives.  You don't play multiplayer, aren't interested in Netflix, and use your PS3 for multiplatform games.

You don't need a 360.  

Unless you are just dieing to spend $300 on something you seem not to want.
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« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2010, 02:31:19 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:26:39 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:20:55 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:18:28 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:15:00 PM

Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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I guess I'm confused by your question.  

You aren't interested in the 360 exclusives.  You don't play multiplayer, aren't interested in Netflix, and use your PS3 for multiplatform games.

You don't need a 360.  

Unless you are just dieing to spend $300 on something you seem to not want.

My wallet is indeed itching, but I posted this thread simply because I'm not sure what I want. I was looking forward to Alan Wake on the PC btw, but with that out of the question it becomes an important part of the argument when I could get it for the 360.

I guess I can rephrase the question like this: Is there something important among the things I haven't mentioned in this thread that could sway me in one direction or the other? Is there a kickass exclusive I'm forgetting. Is there an upcoming exclusive that I'd like? Are there any good downloadable titles that are considered must-haves? The economic aspects here aren't important, but I don't want to pay for something I won't use much. Still, if I can get just a few great gaming experiences out of it, I'd consider it a good purchase at the price it's currently at.


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« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2010, 02:31:30 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on March 05, 2010, 02:24:19 PM

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Quote from: denoginizer on March 05, 2010, 02:20:15 PM

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Given all that you describe I would say don't get one.  Save up for the next video card upgrade on your PC I guess.

Well, it's not like my PC needs an upgrade in the near future. I bought a really beefy one last fall... smile


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Buy a wife?

That is way more than the cost of a Xbox 360, even to rent one for the night is more than that for a good one.
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« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2010, 02:44:31 PM »

Don't get it. Buy a new video card for your rig or something. The only reason to get it would be for the online community (which you don't care about) and exclusives (which are generally covered by your PC, as long as you are willing to wait at times).

Unless you really, really want to play Alan Wake.
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« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2010, 04:10:25 PM »

you might like the upcoming Crackdown 2 if you're into over the top action open world games, and the first Crackdown was a pretty fun game too.  both are 360 exclusives.
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« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2010, 04:48:03 PM »

The biggest reason to buy a 360 in my opinion is the far superior multiplayer experience.  If you're not interested in MP there's no reason to get a 360.  However, the MP experience on the 360 is good enough that you might be interested, and not even know it.  Something like that happened with SensuousLettuce, who wasn't a MP gamer at all until he got his 360, and is now rabid.  Something to keep in mind.
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« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2010, 04:57:38 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on March 05, 2010, 04:48:03 PM

Something like that happened with SensuousLettuce, who wasn't a MP gamer at all until he got his 360, and is now rabid.  Something to keep in mind.

I thought he was already rabid before hand.  but yeah, if you don't want rabies don't get a 360  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2010, 05:43:28 PM »

have you ever been heavy into mp games?  are you good at fps with consoles?  if you don't expect to be interested in mp then you really don't have a reason beyond a few exclusives. 

now, if you can hang out with a 360 owning friend and play online for a while, i would do so.  give it a chance without laying down the cash for an unknown.
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« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2010, 05:46:08 PM »

I say if there's nothing that really calls to you, then I'd hold off until something does. You have a gamut of hardware already; how is one more to complete the collection going to help your gaming situation?

Just my thoughts..  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2010, 05:49:34 PM »

Crackdown is just about reason enough to own a 360.  And I never was interested in multiplayer.  It's just that good.
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« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2010, 06:12:36 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:11:58 PM

Even when I don't care about multiplayer?

I thought I've played some MP games with you on the PC in the past (few years ago)... from what I remember you seemed to be a cool guy and player.

You sure you wouldn't want to play with all of us on the 360?
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« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2010, 06:35:48 PM »

Have you checked the xbox marketplace? There's a LOT of amazing 360 arcade games there.

  • Castle Crashers
  • Catan
  • Braid
  • The Misadventures of PB Winterbottom
  • Zombie Apocalypse
  • Geometry Wars

Just a few suggestions. While they're not system sellers, they're certainly worth considering.
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« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2010, 06:40:28 PM »

Don't forget Shadow Complex.   The Weghted Companion Cube will never threaten to stab you.
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« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2010, 06:45:22 PM »

Quote from: KePoW on March 05, 2010, 06:12:36 PM

Quote from: TiLT on March 05, 2010, 02:11:58 PM

Even when I don't care about multiplayer?

I thought I've played some MP games with you on the PC in the past (few years ago)... from what I remember you seemed to be a cool guy and player.

You sure you wouldn't want to play with all of us on the 360?

Even if you're not that cool icon_wink you might find multiplayer with the gang more fun than you expected.
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« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2010, 07:27:13 PM »

I have both Xbox 360 & PS3 and I rarely play my PS3. The 360 is just SO much better. The 360 is much more diverse in the game area, and the games just keep coming...
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« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2010, 10:58:07 PM »

No one will be able to convince you if the exclusives don't appeal to you. Just my own 2 cents, but Halo 3, Fable 2 and Gears of War 2 are must play games - they're that good. Something else worth considering if you don't have a lot of gaming peripherals for your PC, is that for $20 you can get a 360 USB receiver that allows you to use all of your 360 peripherals with your PC and they work very well running under windows. One thing I wouldn't recommend getting a 360 for is racing games, especially those on the realism side, because IMO the 360 wheel is inferior to a Logitech Momo or G25 - actually  not even close in quality.
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« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2010, 11:40:02 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 05, 2010, 10:58:07 PM

One thing I wouldn't recommend getting a 360 for is racing games, especially those on the realism side, because IMO the 360 wheel is inferior to a Logitech Momo or G25 - actually  not even close in quality.

If you're strictly only talking about the wheels, I can kinda understand.

But if you're talking about the games themselves, I have to strongly disagree.  Forza 3 is one of the best and most fun racing games I've played... awesome all the way around.  I play with controller though, so the wheel isn't a factor with me.
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« Reply #27 on: March 06, 2010, 12:47:00 AM »

Why not take that $300 and invest in a new hobby?
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« Reply #28 on: March 06, 2010, 09:56:55 AM »

Quote from: KePoW on March 05, 2010, 11:40:02 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 05, 2010, 10:58:07 PM

One thing I wouldn't recommend getting a 360 for is racing games, especially those on the realism side, because IMO the 360 wheel is inferior to a Logitech Momo or G25 - actually  not even close in quality.

If you're strictly only talking about the wheels, I can kinda understand.

But if you're talking about the games themselves, I have to strongly disagree.  Forza 3 is one of the best and most fun racing games I've played... awesome all the way around.  I play with controller though, so the wheel isn't a factor with me.

Yup, I'm strictly speaking in terms of the quality of the MS wheel. I agree there's some good racing games for the 360 -actually often better than they're PC multiplatform, counterparts- but the quality of the wheels available for the 360 bring the whole experience down a notch IMO.

Quote from: Canuck on March 06, 2010, 12:47:00 AM

Why not take that $300 and invest in a new hobby?

I agree - if you have multiple consoles, a state of the art PC, and really can't find anything new and enticing , why not look at another gaming medium or hobby? There's lots of crossovers to videogaming and many of are currently on an upswing.
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« Reply #29 on: March 06, 2010, 01:22:11 PM »

If you have a good PC and a PS3 then there really is no reason to buy a 360 beyond multiplayer. Look at the top 20 games for the 360 on Metacritic. Only about 3 are  exclusive to the 360, so if you don't want to play those games, then don't waste your money.
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« Reply #30 on: March 06, 2010, 01:48:14 PM »

I love my MS racing wheel. (Though, I didn't have to pay for it.) What is so inferior about it, other than that it is expensive?
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« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2010, 04:57:40 PM »

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I love my MS racing wheel. (Though, I didn't have to pay for it.) What is so inferior about it, other than that it is expensive?

Price wouldn't be my criticism, since decent PC wheels typically start at $20 more. A very pronounced dead zone with little or no ability to to effectively change it in games would be my biggest criticism. As well, force feedback is fairly weak IMO, especially when contrasted with PC wheels. I think it's a perfectly OK wheel if it's the only you have and you only race on the 360; i.e. you adapt to it's limitations. However, if you're moving back and forth between racing on the PC and the 360, I doubt many would be satisfied with it.
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« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2010, 07:29:24 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 06, 2010, 04:57:40 PM

Price wouldn't be my criticism, since decent PC wheels typically start at $20 more. A very pronounced dead zone with little or no ability to to effectively change it in games would be my biggest criticism. As well, force feedback is fairly weak IMO, especially when contrasted with PC wheels. I think it's a perfectly OK wheel if it's the only you have and you only race on the 360; i.e. you adapt to it's limitations. However, if you're moving back and forth between racing on the PC and the 360, I doubt many would be satisfied with it.

My main point of comparison was some sort of 3rd party wheel I had for the cube and PS2. The 360 wheel is far superior to that one in all aspects. I actually just got my wheel last weekend for my birthday. Also mounted on this makes it a lot of fun to use with comfort.
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« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2010, 08:33:15 PM »

Quote from: JCC on March 06, 2010, 07:29:24 PM

Quote from: kronovan on March 06, 2010, 04:57:40 PM

Price wouldn't be my criticism, since decent PC wheels typically start at $20 more. A very pronounced dead zone with little or no ability to to effectively change it in games would be my biggest criticism. As well, force feedback is fairly weak IMO, especially when contrasted with PC wheels. I think it's a perfectly OK wheel if it's the only you have and you only race on the 360; i.e. you adapt to it's limitations. However, if you're moving back and forth between racing on the PC and the 360, I doubt many would be satisfied with it.

My main point of comparison was some sort of 3rd party wheel I had for the cube and PS2. The 360 wheel is far superior to that one in all aspects. I actually just got my wheel last weekend for my birthday. Also mounted on this makes it a lot of fun to use with comfort.

I'd agree it's a decent wheel as far as consoles go, but it's still quite a bit below the quality of the better PC wheels. Which is why I mentioned that in my post originally - TiLT already has a wheel for his PC. Part of my poor impression of the quality is that the internal power connector on mine blew after 1 year. As well, don't ever bother trying to use it on a PC with the 360 USB receiver; despite the handheld controllers working perfectly, the wheel's performance is very poor.
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« Reply #34 on: March 07, 2010, 01:11:31 AM »

You need a 360, yes in deed you do, in fact you need to buy mine! I don't use it, it's been sitting idle for 3 plus months in my unused office. Hell, I could even be convinced to give you my Xbox Live ID and thus access to all the Live Arcade stuff I've downloaded. PM me if you are interested, and I'll give you the details. .. Hmmm I may just have to create a trading forum post.
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« Reply #35 on: March 07, 2010, 02:35:12 AM »


If you have the need to buy something frivolous, get an iPad.   They start preorders this Friday.
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« Reply #36 on: March 07, 2010, 03:03:15 PM »

Oops, sorry for dropping out of the thread for a few days. I was on a trip with my coworkers and getting absolutely hammered. Tongue

I don't want to buy anything frivolous and certainly not an iPad. The mention of Shadow Complex is very, very enticing though. That's a game I was really envious that the 360ers got, but I had later forgotten about it. Crackdown is also interesting, particularly since I liked Prototype a lot (and way better than what I consider to be one of last year's most overhyped games: inFamous). Some of the other downloadable games mentioned in this thread are already available for the PS3 or will be in the very near future (and with games like Castle Crashers, the PS3-version should be superior).

As for multiplayer, I've had a rocky relationship with the concept. I used to be absolutely awesome (yes yes, I'm bragging) at the Quake games, but then I tired of the concept. I had a brief period where I played a bit of Unreal Tournament 2004 (which might be what KePoW is referring to. Thanks for the compliment, btw smile ) with the #gonegold IRC channel. I've really soured on the concept since though. I haven't even bothered to try the MP in MW2, and I gave Uncharted 2's MP about 3-4 hours of my time before retiring it. It's not that I don't think it's fun. It's just that I find most MP games these days way, way too repetitive. The process of spawning, running to a conflict point, exchanging a few shots, dying, respawning and so on is just tiring to me. I like more variety, and simply fighting different human opponents or playing on different levels isn't enough (and speaking from experience: Most games end up with 90% of the MP matches being played on one single map anyway). For reference, I'm the kind of MMORPG player who likes being in a living, breathing world full of real people, but who'd rather adventure solo than join a group. It doesn't help that English isn't my native language, making in-game conversations awkward.

As for getting a new hobby... do you mean something like boardgaming? I have about 30 different boardgames in my shelf. Roleplaying? I have tons and tons of RPG books and I'm DMing a 4th Edition D&D campaign. How about something non-gamey, like composing music? I've got a reasonably beefy home studio for that already, thank you very much. slywink I don't need more games, but I enjoy video games too much for me to feel comfortable about ignoring a whole platform (ie. the 360). If I am to do so, I at least want to give it a fair chance, hence this thread. As I said, the economic aspects aren't all that important. I've got a well paid job that I'm not in any real risk of losing (the economic crisis didn't really hit Norway) and I'm single, giving me lots of opportunities to spend money on myself and a whole lot of spare time to do so. slywink

None of my closest friends own 360s, btw (neither do they own PS3s for that sake, even though the PS3 is slightly stronger over here). If I were to join a community of players for gaming online, it would be with you guys.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy a 360 or not. You've all given me a lot of interesting arguments in both directions. I think I'm leaning a bit more towards the "buy it" side though. Thanks for all the input!
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« Reply #37 on: March 07, 2010, 07:30:49 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 07, 2010, 03:03:15 PM

Oops, sorry for dropping out of the thread for a few days. I was on a trip with my coworkers and getting absolutely hammered. Tongue

I don't want to buy anything frivolous and certainly not an iPad. The mention of Shadow Complex is very, very enticing though. That's a game I was really envious that the 360ers got, but I had later forgotten about it. Crackdown is also interesting, particularly since I liked Prototype a lot (and way better than what I consider to be one of last year's most overhyped games: inFamous). Some of the other downloadable games mentioned in this thread are already available for the PS3 or will be in the very near future (and with games like Castle Crashers, the PS3-version should be superior).

As for multiplayer, I've had a rocky relationship with the concept. I used to be absolutely awesome (yes yes, I'm bragging) at the Quake games, but then I tired of the concept. I had a brief period where I played a bit of Unreal Tournament 2004 (which might be what KePoW is referring to. Thanks for the compliment, btw smile ) with the #gonegold IRC channel. I've really soured on the concept since though. I haven't even bothered to try the MP in MW2, and I gave Uncharted 2's MP about 3-4 hours of my time before retiring it. It's not that I don't think it's fun. It's just that I find most MP games these days way, way too repetitive. The process of spawning, running to a conflict point, exchanging a few shots, dying, respawning and so on is just tiring to me. I like more variety, and simply fighting different human opponents or playing on different levels isn't enough (and speaking from experience: Most games end up with 90% of the MP matches being played on one single map anyway). For reference, I'm the kind of MMORPG player who likes being in a living, breathing world full of real people, but who'd rather adventure solo than join a group. It doesn't help that English isn't my native language, making in-game conversations awkward.

As for getting a new hobby... do you mean something like boardgaming? I have about 30 different boardgames in my shelf. Roleplaying? I have tons and tons of RPG books and I'm DMing a 4th Edition D&D campaign. How about something non-gamey, like composing music? I've got a reasonably beefy home studio for that already, thank you very much. slywink I don't need more games, but I enjoy video games too much for me to feel comfortable about ignoring a whole platform (ie. the 360). If I am to do so, I at least want to give it a fair chance, hence this thread. As I said, the economic aspects aren't all that important. I've got a well paid job that I'm not in any real risk of losing (the economic crisis didn't really hit Norway) and I'm single, giving me lots of opportunities to spend money on myself and a whole lot of spare time to do so. slywink

None of my closest friends own 360s, btw (neither do they own PS3s for that sake, even though the PS3 is slightly stronger over here). If I were to join a community of players for gaming online, it would be with you guys.

I'm still not sure if I'm going to buy a 360 or not. You've all given me a lot of interesting arguments in both directions. I think I'm leaning a bit more towards the "buy it" side though. Thanks for all the input!


You just reminded me of Prototype which I have yet to play.   I liked inFamous, so maybe I will like Prototype?
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« Reply #38 on: March 08, 2010, 07:03:40 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on March 07, 2010, 03:03:15 PM

As for getting a new hobby... do you mean something like boardgaming? I have about 30 different boardgames in my shelf. Roleplaying? I have tons and tons of RPG books and I'm DMing a 4th Edition D&D campaign. How about something non-gamey, like composing music? I've got a reasonably beefy home studio for that already, thank you very much. slywink

Umm...actually I remembered you lived in Scandanavia. I was thinking one of the those eXtreme nordic sports where you do some major endurance skiing and pack around an arsenal of weapors, or maybe Reindeer breeding.  icon_razz
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« Reply #39 on: March 08, 2010, 07:06:48 AM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 08, 2010, 07:03:40 AM

Quote from: TiLT on March 07, 2010, 03:03:15 PM

As for getting a new hobby... do you mean something like boardgaming? I have about 30 different boardgames in my shelf. Roleplaying? I have tons and tons of RPG books and I'm DMing a 4th Edition D&D campaign. How about something non-gamey, like composing music? I've got a reasonably beefy home studio for that already, thank you very much. slywink

Umm...actually I remembered you lived in Scandanavia. I was thinking one of the those eXtreme nordic sports where you do some major endurance skiing and pack around an arsenal of weapors, or maybe Reindeer breeding.  icon_razz

I do believe its illegal to have sex with Reindeers even in scandinavia!
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