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« on: June 06, 2008, 09:40:04 PM »

I found this on the Arstechnica site. I hadn't seen the Arcanum one before and it sounds good. Links to updates for Planescape, Fallout2, and Arcanum. Restoration projects, expansions and bug fixes galore.

http://episteme.arstechnica.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/39309975/m/676006762931

Making me want to reinstall Arcanum to try it out.

NEW Arcanum patch and miscellaneous here.
http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=23720
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2008, 11:01:44 PM »

Awesome, I literally reinstalled PS:T today so this will be a great way to play it again.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2008, 11:41:34 PM »

Do these Planescape updates let you play at a higher resolution and/or in a window?
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« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2008, 11:42:53 PM »

Quote from: JCC on June 06, 2008, 11:41:34 PM

Do these Planescape updates let you play at a higher resolution and/or in a window?

IIRC there are resolution hacks for all the infinity engine games.
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 12:10:08 AM »

This article has screenshots and links to the widescreen hacks for Planescape

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Playing PST at 16801050 thanks to this mod - the pixels not stretched, but rather the game world expanded, a vast amount more of it now visible at any one time - Im constantly struck by how beautiful it is. It seems less a thing of pixels now, and more like the vast painting it was created as. Particularly, the cursed, sinister city of Sigil is no longer a collection of short, dingy alleyways and squat, disconnected buildings, but this grand expanse of gothic metropolis - bustling with NPC life, sprawling and darkly gorgeous.

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 03:29:35 AM »

Oh man, it does look better than it did - and it didn't look bad in its day either - and I like that quote

Im constantly struck by how beautiful it is. It seems less a thing of pixels now, and more like the vast painting it was created as. Particularly, the cursed, sinister city of Sigil is no longer a collection of short, dingy alleyways and squat, disconnected buildings, but this grand expanse of gothic metropolis - bustling with NPC life, sprawling and darkly gorgeous.

I agree. Curse you! I'd be trying to play the NEW stuff, not revisit the old classics!  icon_wink
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« Reply #6 on: June 07, 2008, 03:35:33 AM »

Does anyone know if there's anything similar for Diablo 2? I'd love to play that again in glorious 1680x1050, or at least in a window so there's no pixel exploding going on.
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« Reply #7 on: June 07, 2008, 04:58:05 AM »

Is Anna still hot? smile
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« Reply #8 on: June 07, 2008, 07:49:11 PM »

Awesome, when Arcanum came out I tried hard to love it but there were so many things that got in the way.  Reinstalling now.   nod
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« Reply #9 on: June 07, 2008, 08:00:25 PM »

Just a note: the mod works as advertised, but due to the limitations in the PST engine, certain things are still displayed like it was running in the default 640x480. I think things like the radial menu and the 'emotes' that show up on screen appear out of position (IIRC, the radial menu only pops up in the 640x480 pixels in the top left of the screen).

I think the author said he is working on fixing it.
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« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2008, 08:50:57 PM »

I tried Arcanum twice and just couldn't get into it. The 3rd time was the charm. I played an axe wielding maniac that just annihilated everything in his path. I started him out with the lowest INT I could. His conversations went "Ugh" "eh?" and the npcs would make fun of him being the village idiot and say stuff like "you go get gun, bring back" and slap their foreheads smile I finally had to raise his INT so i could get some party member dwarf in my group.

I still want to replay it as a gun user someday. Just was never practical.
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« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2008, 01:01:52 AM »

Quote from: JohnathanStrange on June 07, 2008, 03:29:35 AM

I agree. Curse you! I'd be trying to play the NEW stuff, not revisit the old classics!  icon_wink

I know. I SO don't have time to play these awesome games again.

However, I do have a new Eee PC I can bring into work. And it should be able to run it...

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« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2008, 01:35:22 AM »

I'd never finished PST when it first came out (10 years ago?).  Just last year I re-installed and picked up where I left off (still had my save games!).  But again I stopped, this time because of the screen resolution.

So now, this.  I too don't have the time, but this is hard to resist.

EDIT:  I still had PST installed from last year, so I just installed the widescreen mod over it.  It works perfectly, even on my older save games.  Running at 1280x800.  It looks simply amazing.  Thanks for the heads up on this.
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« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2008, 01:47:11 AM »

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« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2008, 02:23:25 AM »

I stupidly passed up an offer someone at OO made me a while back where he was going to give me his extra copy of Planescape. The game has always intrigued the hell out of me, but as a primarily FPS guy, I figured it'd be too complicated for me. I now regret my decision. Greatly. Especially when I later went to look at Amazon and eBay, and saw what used copies are going for these days. Ah, well. Maybe when next year's tax rebate check comes...
     I had no idea the thing had become so highly sought-after.
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« Reply #15 on: June 08, 2008, 02:48:03 AM »

Quote from: Giles Habibula on June 08, 2008, 02:23:25 AM

I stupidly passed up an offer someone at OO made me a while back where he was going to give me his extra copy of Planescape. The game has always intrigued the hell out of me, but as a primarily FPS guy, I figured it'd be too complicated for me. I now regret my decision. Greatly. Especially when I later went to look at Amazon and eBay, and saw what used copies are going for these days. Ah, well. Maybe when next year's tax rebate check comes...
     I had no idea the thing had become so highly sought-after.

It's available on Gametap. 
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« Reply #16 on: June 08, 2008, 02:56:27 AM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 08, 2008, 02:48:03 AM

Quote from: Giles Habibula on June 08, 2008, 02:23:25 AM

I stupidly passed up an offer someone at OO made me a while back where he was going to give me his extra copy of Planescape. The game has always intrigued the hell out of me, but as a primarily FPS guy, I figured it'd be too complicated for me. I now regret my decision. Greatly. Especially when I later went to look at Amazon and eBay, and saw what used copies are going for these days. Ah, well. Maybe when next year's tax rebate check comes...
     I had no idea the thing had become so highly sought-after.

It's available on Gametap. 
Thanks. I may end up doing that. However, I much prefer the solid copy of a CD version that I can install on any of my old rigs at any time without being dependant on outside sources. I'd pay the premium price just for that freedom.
I've never checked into Gametap. Can you like purchase the game, download it, burn it to CD, and install it any time you like? Or are you restricted to being connected to their site to play it? Or restricted in any other way?

edit: I suppose I could just go and read their faq and find out for myself, but I have a feeling there are going to be restrictions or dependencies that I'm not going to like. I like to purchase games, and then keep them forever, and install them whenever I get the urge, with the security that comes from having everything I need being only the game CD and the PC to play it.
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« Reply #17 on: June 08, 2008, 03:18:07 AM »

AFAIK, you're pretty much tied to using it as a part of the service (and I'm not sure if you could enable mods like the widescreen hack).  That said, it's relatively cheap for a month (sometimes actually free when they are running a special) and would certainly be a good way to let you determine if it's worth paying the elevated prices from Ebay/Amazon, etc. 
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« Reply #18 on: June 08, 2008, 03:22:16 AM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 08, 2008, 03:18:07 AM

... and would certainly be a good way to let you determine if it's worth paying the elevated prices from Ebay/Amazon, etc. 
Good point.
Or, I could try and seek out a demo, if there was one released.
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« Reply #19 on: June 08, 2008, 03:27:34 AM »

IIRC, there was a demo for Planescape.  Never tried it but after my experience with the Fallout demo vs the full game I wouldn't be trusting of demos representing the full experience. 
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« Reply #20 on: June 08, 2008, 03:40:26 AM »

Quote from: Jolor on June 08, 2008, 01:47:11 AM

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« Reply #21 on: June 08, 2008, 04:45:05 AM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 08, 2008, 03:27:34 AM

IIRC, there was a demo for Planescape.  Never tried it but after my experience with the Fallout demo vs the full game I wouldn't be trusting of demos representing the full experience. 
I'd be more concerned with the gameplay mechanics and my ability to learn and get comfortable with them. For instance, I own Baldur's Gate and both Fallout games, but was completely flummoxed when it came to learning how to play them. RPGs are an entirely different animal compared to the simple FPS games I'm accustomed to.

As far as the actual game goes, I'm more than willing to trust the countless glowing forum posts I've read over the years. I'm certain that if I felt comfortable with my ability to play it, I'd enjoy it.
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« Reply #22 on: June 08, 2008, 06:25:20 AM »

Gameplay-wise, PST is simpler than Fallout or Baldur's Gate, as there is much more emphasis put on story and character than fighting.  You can spend hours playing PST and not even get in a single battle.  As long as you don't mind lots of reading, then you shouldn't have any trouble playing it.
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« Reply #23 on: June 08, 2008, 08:16:34 AM »

Sounds great. I like reading. Thanks!
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« Reply #24 on: June 08, 2008, 12:11:53 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 08, 2008, 03:18:07 AM

AFAIK, you're pretty much tied to using it as a part of the service (and I'm not sure if you could enable mods like the widescreen hack).  That said, it's relatively cheap for a month (sometimes actually free when they are running a special) and would certainly be a good way to let you determine if it's worth paying the elevated prices from Ebay/Amazon, etc. 

I just checked at Gametap is running a 99 cent special for the first month of the Gold service. Otherwise it's $9.99/mo (I thought it was $15, so nice surprise) and a year is $59.99, reducing it to $5/mo.
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« Reply #25 on: June 08, 2008, 12:36:23 PM »

Quote from: Kevin Grey on June 08, 2008, 02:48:03 AM

Quote from: Giles Habibula on June 08, 2008, 02:23:25 AM

I stupidly passed up an offer someone at OO made me a while back where he was going to give me his extra copy of Planescape. The game has always intrigued the hell out of me, but as a primarily FPS guy, I figured it'd be too complicated for me. I now regret my decision. Greatly. Especially when I later went to look at Amazon and eBay, and saw what used copies are going for these days. Ah, well. Maybe when next year's tax rebate check comes...
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It's available on Gametap. 

FWIW, I ran into some rather serious technical issues trying to play it through Gametap.  Random freezing, sound stuttering, corrupted save games, etc.  Ended up tracking down a CD copy and it worked fine.

I'm intrigued by these high res mods, but am concerned about the text readability.   I've seen a couple screenshots, and with the bump in resolution, the text looked really small.  With the amount of reading that PS: T requires, I'm wondering if the eye-strain headaches will be worth it.
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« Reply #26 on: June 08, 2008, 01:27:31 PM »

Quote from: EddieA on June 08, 2008, 06:25:20 AM

You can spend hours days playing PST and not even get in a single battle.
Fixed.
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« Reply #27 on: June 08, 2008, 03:54:39 PM »

I really should track down a copy of 'Planescape: Torment' and 'Arcanum'.
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« Reply #28 on: June 08, 2008, 03:59:26 PM »

I just installed the mods, and the difference is absolutely incredible.  I set the res at 1440 X 900, which seems to be the perfect balance of image quality and text readability. 

Since there's really only 2 games coming out this summer that I want, now might be a good time to give PS:  T a third try.  I've made it to nearly the exact same spot in the game twice now (the warrens), and ended up getting distracted by something else.  Since it's been on my "must finish" list for nearly 10 years now, I really need to just buckle down and get it done.  Between the better graphics and gameplay tweaks (from the link above), looks like this might be a whole new PS:  T experience.
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« Reply #29 on: June 08, 2008, 04:45:02 PM »

That screenshot looks fantastic.  I'll have to give the mod a go when I finally load up IWD2.
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« Reply #30 on: June 09, 2008, 12:06:29 AM »

Quote from: Gratch on June 08, 2008, 03:59:26 PM

I just installed the mods, and the difference is absolutely incredible.  I set the res at 1440 X 900, which seems to be the perfect balance of image quality and text readability. 

Once you get the mods installed, how do you change the resolution?
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« Reply #31 on: June 09, 2008, 01:04:57 AM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on June 09, 2008, 12:06:29 AM

Once you get the mods installed, how do you change the resolution?

The mods referenced by the OP in the Arstechnica site are game fixes/tweaks.  See reply #4 for the resolution mod (that handles all Infinity engine games).   During the installation of that mod, you specify your desired resolution.

I used that one only, not the others, since I fear the game fixes/tweaks would screw up my existing save games.
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« Reply #32 on: June 09, 2008, 01:13:57 AM »

Quote from: tylertoo on June 09, 2008, 01:04:57 AM

Quote from: Jeff Jones on June 09, 2008, 12:06:29 AM

Once you get the mods installed, how do you change the resolution?

The mods referenced by the OP in the Arstechnica site are game fixes/tweaks.  See reply #4 for the resolution mod (that handles all Infinity engine games).   During the installation of that mod, you specify your desired resolution.

I used that one only, not the others, since I fear the game fixes/tweaks would screw up my existing save games.

Yeah I found that one a bit ago, and tried it. No go. I get an error late in the patching process frown

edit: error is: Unix.Unix_error<20, "stat", "./AR0500.BIF">

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« Reply #33 on: June 09, 2008, 02:08:23 AM »

I got the same error.  The program is looking for files that are on different CDs.  It looks like the mod was designed using the 2 CD version of PST, where the files were all on the same CD.  PST doesn't offer any install options, but it would probably be possible to copy all 4 CDs to your hard drive, edit the .ini or .cfg files to point to the hard drive rather than the CD, and then install the mod.
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« Reply #34 on: June 09, 2008, 03:00:55 AM »

Quote from: EddieA on June 09, 2008, 02:08:23 AM

I got the same error.  The program is looking for files that are on different CDs.  It looks like the mod was designed using the 2 CD version of PST, where the files were all on the same CD.  PST doesn't offer any install options, but it would probably be possible to copy all 4 CDs to your hard drive, edit the .ini or .cfg files to point to the hard drive rather than the CD, and then install the mod.

Thanks, that worked .. at least as far as getting it to patch all the way. Now the problem I'm having is that the game appears only in about a small box in the top left of my monitor. The rest of the screen is black.

edit: nevermind, once I started playing it just sort of automagically jumped to full screen.
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« Reply #35 on: June 09, 2008, 08:38:07 AM »

What a coincidence, I reinstalled PS: T for about a week or so now and been going at it. Great game, GREAT story, AWESOME ending biggrin

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« Reply #36 on: June 09, 2008, 09:15:52 AM »

gods how I loved Arcanum - such a huuuge, huuuge world, and such great music - and the system was great as well!! I want to play it again!

ugh..where did I put those discs now?
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« Reply #37 on: June 09, 2008, 11:19:08 AM »

Quote from: MrDuck on June 09, 2008, 08:38:07 AM

What a coincidence, I reinstalled PS: T for about a week or so now and been going at it. Great game, GREAT story, AWESOME ending biggrin

Ah, memories...

I actually installed all this about 2 months ago in prep for my annual PS:T run (And yes, that means I am cooler cause I found it on my own!). It's still a struggle to read text sometimes on my gigantor 24 inch monitor, but I haven't really gotten started on my run yet. Soon I hope.
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« Reply #38 on: June 09, 2008, 12:38:13 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on June 09, 2008, 11:19:08 AM

I actually installed all this about 2 months ago in prep for my annual PS:T run (And yes, that means I am cooler cause I found it on my own!). It's still a struggle to read text sometimes on my gigantor 24 inch monitor, but I haven't really gotten started on my run yet. Soon I hope.

Yep, I have a 22" monitor, and while the widescreen mod sure looks nice, it's definitely a small font that's a little tough on the eyes. I have PST running in Gametap too, and I'd almost just rather use the bad graphics but big font, given the amount of reading there is to do in this game.
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« Reply #39 on: June 09, 2008, 01:38:28 PM »

Quote from: Jeff Jones on June 09, 2008, 12:38:13 PM

I'd almost just rather use the bad graphics but big font, given the amount of reading there is to do in this game.

I thought I had a brilliant idea: my mouse has a thumb button set to activate a magnifying glass, so I'd run PS:T in higher resolution and then use the magnify function for text....

Unfortunately, the magnify gets all glitchy in game, so no luck.  Back to squinting.  The higher res is so good, I will live with small text.  For now.
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