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« Reply #400 on: July 01, 2012, 05:38:32 PM »

I can say that my first game in the exp, one of the Civs (Persia, I believe) basically went Roman Empire on a continent I was not on.  By the time I discovered it, he had wiped out two Civs, held over half the land and was well on his way to taking the entire thing.  He seemed to be shooting for a science victory and is up well over 500 pts on me and 1000 pts on the other Civs.  I *might* still beat him to a cultural victory, but I'm not counting it.

Never saw that before G&K.  This is on King difficulty.
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« Reply #401 on: November 01, 2012, 11:52:53 PM »

Steam has released a new patch for Civilization V with a quite extensive note file:

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Change list – Civ V Balance Patch
Updated: November 1
10.0.2.13

FIXED BUGS
- Mod Browser - The "Get Mods" button is now hidden if the user has disabled the steam overlay.
Civilizations and Traits
- Ottoman naval upkeep is now fixed. Save games that were started before the fix will not be corrected.
- German UA and Oligarchy social policy now work together correctly.
City States
- Mercantile CS now only get a unique luxury for their first city (and not the cities they conquer). Unique luxury is removed upon capture (players can no longer get it by taking over a CS). Unique luxury is given back upon liberation.
- Prevent double counting of resources when an improvement is gifted to a minor civ, then the minor civ techs up to activate the improvement.
Diplomacy
- Research Agreement code was previously giving double-credit to research "overflows" (i.e. when you finished a tech and the extra research was being applied to the following tech). Now the credit toward a RA will be based on Science earned that turn.
- Corrected an issue that caused the AI to attempt coups too often, when chances of success were too low. Also implemented a new factor: Attempting a coup in a location where there is no defending spy (the current ally does not have a spy there) is >=2x as likely to work as it would if there was a spy there.
- Resurrecting a player will have both sides forget any denouncing that happened before resurrected.
- Don't treat player as a deal breaker just for going to war with a player again.
Exploits
- Do not let a player earn the 2 free techs from the Rationalism Finisher twice. Also removed the +1 Science from Libraries from that finisher.
- If you intentionally starve your city by reassigning all your citizens to be unemployed, you won't end up with more citizens than you have population.
Religion
- Fix Found Religion screen so you can't find out about civs you haven't met by mousing over the religion icons.
- Correct "Peace Loving" belief so it doesn't negate other happiness benefits from religion.
- Rebuild religious pressure in case it was corrupted in older save games.
- Clarify Interfaith Dialog so it mentions that Prophets earn you science too (not just missionaries).
Scenarios
- Removed notifications that appear at the beginning of the Fall of Rome and Mongol scenarios about lacking the proper strategic resources.
AI
- Dutch now will build farms before polders are available.
- Do not allow Carthaginian units to spawn on mountains.
- Do not allow Carthaginian Workers to end turns on mountains.
- AI will now build more workboats and will improve oil plots in the water.
- Automated workers that don't have anything to do will not consume all their movement.
- Allow rush built units to trigger the operation they were built for to proceed into Gather Units phase.
- Fixed an issue where automated workers evaluated danger incorrectly and consequently behaved incorrectly.
- Fixed an issue where citizen management focus on Production (and possibly others) could lead to starvation.
- Clicking on an unemployed citizen to set them back to work does not "unlock" locked citizen assignment.
- The logic to recommend Artist improvement placement now does not count plots where improvements can't be placed, e.g. oases.
- Add additional sanity checks for deceptive attacks. Previously, if an AI was choosing to deceptively attack, they would not check to determine if it was a good idea or not the moment before launching, which could result in “dumb” attacks.
Units
- Fix unit de-selection so the mini-map indicator clears.
- Better “Next Unit” selection. Previously, the camera would jump great distances to select the next unit that needs orders, when a closer unit was available.
- Unit cycling improvement: when a unit is promoted, do NOT cycle immediately off that unit.
- Change minimum area size for all naval units to 10 (from 20). That allows them to be built in the same cities as harbors, seaports (and great admirals) -- i.e. on any body of water not considered to be a "lake"
- Fix advanced promotions for melee naval ships.
- Restore missing Cover 2 promotion entries so it is available to units again.
- Fix a hang if a (melee) unit advanced across the world wrap seam after a combat.
- Correct Great Admiral AI placement bug that prevented it from selecting a valid coastal city of yours.
- Unit list now re-sorts itself correctly when a unit is promoted.
- Subs are no longer visible (all the time) in Hot Seat mode.
- Don't give GG points from Barbarian ranged attacks.
- Helicopters now take damage when ending their turn over mountains.
- Interception promotions now help the right unit (had previously been reversed).
- Evasion promotion helps the right unit (had previously been reversed).
- Two top-of-screen messages added to explain what is going on with intercepts (one for if the attacking air unit is eliminated, and another if he is just damaged).
- Fixed a unit movement issue that broke melee attacking from more than one hex away.
- Janissary heals 50 instead of 100 when killing enemy units.
- Supply promotion now heals 15 HP outside friendly territory; matching text (was 25 HP).
- Added a check to make sure that after a city is disbanded (ex. razed), the units remaining on the plot are allowed to be there. If not (ex. naval units), then they are moved to the nearest valid plot.
- Fix for barbarians that would not move the turn after they spawned.
- Have Great Engineer pick both the wonder and the city it needs to be built in (the bug was that the AI could repeatedly try to build a wonder in a city that it couldn't).
- Make sure Caravels and Destroyers always have the Withdraw before Melee promotion, even if you don't own DLC02.
- Barbarians should now spawn in their camp if it is empty of combat units instead of beside it.
Optimization
- Many performance improvements, particularly in the renderer.
- Pathfinder fixes and optimization.
Text Bugs
- Fixed several text bugs.
Misc
- Fixed rare crashes that could occur depending on hardware.
- Only the “alive” civilization capitals are tested for majority religion in "We are family" achievement.
- Added missing Polish Dawn of Man audio.
- Advisors: Messages concerning your people being unhappy/livid now display correctly (a bug was causing this to fire at the wrong time).
- Economic Overview: Don't list diplomacy values as an expense and an income at the same time.
- Fix auto-scrolling between turns. If a user was scrolling when a turn ended, or when combat ended, it would occasionally get “stuck” and continue scrolling.
- Fix unit de-selection so the mini-map indicator clears.
BALANCE
- Reduced Happiness a bit from Mercantile City States. You no longer get +1 bonus happiness going from Friends to Allies (since you already get the luxuries then). And eliminated the +1 Happiness entering Industrial era.
- Ballistics now requires Railroads. This will force the AI to get railroads before getting too deep in the tree.
- Pillaging tiles now awards +25 hit points to the pillaging unit.
- Tweaks to culture border growth:
o Should get coastal resource tiles a bit sooner.
o Should mildly steer towards tiles that are near unclaimed resources.
o Should get resource tiles in rings 4 and 5 a bit sooner.
- Austrian UA balance changes:
o Increase the cost of a City-State by at least the amount of gold you will get from scrapping their units.
o Must be ally for 5 turns before you can undergo a diplomatic marriage with a City-State.
o "Yoink!" achievement is now: "As Austria, acquire a City-State with 15 or more units through Diplomatic Marriage."
Religion
- Pilgrimage belief now gives +2 Faith per foreign city following this religion.
- Follower and Pantheon beliefs provide Local Happiness; Founder beliefs provide Global Happiness
- Faith output per city is now listed in the economic overview - general information panel. Note: Faith output per city is hidden if religion is disabled.
- AI: Buy Missionaries in city with Great Mosque as TOP priority (even over Holy City if different).
- Tall/Wide Religion Balance Change: Add Grand Temple (National Wonder).
Diplomacy & Espionage
- New peace deals. Now 9 AI levels instead of the previous 5 (so one new level added between each of the earlier ones). Peace levels are now:
o 0: White Peace (give up nothing)
o 1: Armistice (1/2 gold, 1/2 of max GPT)
o 2: Settlement (all gold, max GPT)
o 3: Back-down (all luxuries, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
o 4: Submission (all resources, all gold, max GPT, open borders)
o 5: Surrender (one city)
o 6: Cession (1/4 city value, 1/2 gold)
o 7: Capitulation (1/3 city value, all gold)
o 8: Unconditional Surrender (all but capital, all gold)
- Peace deal code now prioritizes both cities that are close to winner's capital AND cities that were originally built by winning player (previously it was distance only).
- Reduced espionage notification spam. Will only be notified of election and coup activities if you have met them and (have a spy in the city or are friends with them or have a relationship with them that is above the resting point.)
- Added ability to liberate cities that are not owned by their founders or originally owned by the player. The player will receive a diplomacy bonus with the liberated player for liberating up to three cities. This liberation is not part of the "recalled to life" resurrection of a once annihilated civ. This functionality only runs if the city liberated is owned by a player that is alive. There are two ways to lose the diplomatic liberation bonus are:
1. Declare war on someone you have liberated cities for. You have to be the first player declaring war. This does not count defensive pacts or someone you liberated declaring war on you.
2. Capturing a city from someone you liberated. This case comes into play if A liberated a city of C's, then A & B have a defensive pact, C declares war on A & B, then A captures a city of C's. C will forget that A liberated any of their cities.
- The AI will now liberate cities and resurrect players. There are notifications when the AI resurrects players and cities. An AI will resurrect another (non-human) player when they are trying to win a diplomatic victory. An AI will return a city if the original owner of the city has a defensive pact with the player and they are both at war with the previous owner of the city, or, the AI and the original owner have a declaration of friendship and the AI is going for a diplomatic victory.
- Diplomacy: Peace treaty duration scales with game speed.
o Quick: 10 turns
o Normal: 10 turns
o Epic: 15 turns
o Marathon: 30 turns
- Diplomacy: Declaration of Friendships/Denouncements now scale with game speed.
o Quick: 50
o Normal: 50
o Epic: 75
o Marathon: 150
- Changed diplomatic globals:
o The opinion thresholds (unforgivable/enemy/competitor/favorable/friend/ally) have been pushed farther apart. They were initally 50/30/10, now 80/40/15.
o Diplomatic intrigue bonuses have been lowered by 1/2, from 20 to 10.
o "Asked Stop Spying" penalty dropped from 20 to 10.
o There are a number of changes to the duration of city-state interaction penalties, greatly reducing their duration.
- Diplomacy overview improvements. Now displays "your open borders/embassy", "their open borders/embassy", "shared open borders/embassy"
- With making deals, AIs will notify you when they're not willing to give enough on their side to make the deal work. This addresses some issues where you ask an AI to propose a deal and they say "we can't make a deal" and then you propose a lop-sided deal and they accept it. They will say "we aren't willing to give you enough to make this a fair trade."
- Other civs won't warn about expansion unless the player has founded a city in the last 10 turns.
- "We attacked your protected City-State" statements are now triggered by damage done (ex. killing a unit) rather than simply being at war. As a result, the statement should no longer be triggered by a quick succession of DoWs (such as those done automatically by a CS changing allies).
- The AI will no longer ask other players to join in a war when they are already involved in at least one.
Units
- Unit Balance Changes:
o Drop Ironclad to 45 combat strength (from 50).
o Remove +33% vs. Cities from Battleships.
o Drop Gatling Guns to 30 Combat and Ranged Strength.
o Make sure Air Ambush 2 and Air Targeting 2 work for fighters and bombers.
o Carriers now get naval melee promotions instead of naval ranged.
o Prize Ships Balance Change: 50% chance of converting ships with equal intrinsic combat strengths. Scales up and down (between 28% and 80%) based on relative intrinsic combat strengths of the two ships. Conversion chance if you do sink the opponent is shown in blue text on combat preview window.
o AI attackers will now pillage.
- Promotion balance change: make the +200% vs. Cities promotion go away on upgrade.
- Promotions: Push back Air Logistics promotion for Fighters and Bombers so it requires Bombardment 3 (not 2) or Air Siege 3 (not 2).
AI
- If the AI is able to build the UN, but would not win based on the current vote breakdown, have the AI refrain from constructing it unless conditions change.
- AI adjustments to Wonder build priorities.
- Tactical AI Improvement: Spend more gold on defense. AI will now spend gold at their cities where tactical dominance is EVEN (before it had to be enemy-dominated). AI will now also spend money on naval and air units for defense in such cites (before it was only land units and defensive buildings).
- Changes to AI settling:
o Expand the ring search.
o Flatten the value of rings a bit so that tiles in the further rings are worth a bit more.
o Make the default preferred spacing further for players not going for extreme expansion.
o Lower the value of tiles a bit so that the AI is a bit pickier about settlements.
o AI will try to reclaim lost settlers and builders.
o AI will no longer wait forever for a settler escort.
o Minor tweak to settlement location.
o More aggressive offshore expansion.
- Do not give priority to bonus resources in rings 4 and 5 when deciding next tile to grow towards.
- Tweak to AI settle to reduce bonus of tiles in rings 4 and 5 if already owned.
- Small change to make Haile Selassie less keen to expand wide.
- AI will now consider annexing cities it has conquered.
- The AI will not consider annexing if it is trying to win a culture victory or their empire is currently unhappy.
- Increased happiness flavor for circus to match Colosseum.
- Tactical/Homeland AI Improvement: Do not heal if under enemy ranged fire (that is making you lose more HP per turn than you can heal).
- Allow AI to capture civilians more than 4 hexes from their cities.
- Have AI build its units for sneak attack at a slightly higher priority if at high difficulty levels.
- Have AI weight Biology a bit stronger especially if liking tanks and airplanes (unlocks oil).
- AI tweaks to help coastal based civs:
o Change to settlement (cities beyond the first also prefer coast).
o Buildings that help coastal Civs have flavors adjusted (they didn't take some rules changes into account).
o Do not force high Naval civs to build a large navy (15+ ships) in the first 100 turns.
o Make Dido deceptive (as historical).
- Tweaks to allow cities to make better use of extra tiles from previous change:
o On average on extra worker or two will be built.
o Slightly less prioritization of connecting up luxuries (still the highest priority).
o Allow one tile islands to be settled (if they have a resource on them).
o Slightly more prioritization of production tiles.
o Builders will emphasize the capital so that it will always be a nicely developed city.
- City Governor AI:
o Prevent focused city AIs from starving as much.
o Make a wonder that has already been started in this city a higher priority.
o Lower the value of food for the governor when you have a large surplus.
POLISH
- UI
- Add in a UI overlay that shows which AI is processing its turn.
- In the detailed view of a mod in the mods browser, additional required mods will display their title if it has been provided instead of the ID of the mod.
- Add an “Exit to Main Menu” button to the player change screen in Hotseat.
- Added "Restart Game" option to game menu. This option lets you restart the game and generate a new map using your current pregame settings. It's only available at Turn 0.
- Advanced settings are now persisted across multiple single player games.
o NOTE: This feature can be disabled by setting "PersistAdvancedSettings = 0" in Config.ini
- The top panel now displays the month of the year if the game speed is so slow that it actually matters.
- Messages about a player losing their capital and regaining it are now included in the replay log.
- Messages about a player being resurrected are now included in the replay log.
- Fixed an issue causing the replay graphs to be corrupted when a player was resurrected.
- Display currently active mods in the single player screen.
- Add a separate graphics option for enabling/disabling the GPU texture decode.
- Fractal added to the map short list and random map types.
- Garrison ring properly disappears when unit moves out of city.
- Resource icon stacking. At lower resolutions, the resource icons clip into the date display along the top. We now hide the part of the list that clips if it’s too long, and instead, the player can mouse-over the list to see all the resources.
- Better timing for pop-ups (finding ruins, etc.).
- Auto unit selection improvements:
o On load, only cycle to the next unit if the currently selected unit is not ready for selection.
o Swap the direction that the CycleRight and CycleLeft buttons move the selection in the cycle list.
o When closing the city screen. Re-select the last unit that was selected.
o If the player has auto-unit-cycling off, don't auto-select the unit that is blocking the end turn.
- Further refinement to pop-up reordering. Pop-ups should now "feel" correct each turn (in the right order, at the right time).
- Don't prompt the player when removing fallout. Just do it. The prompt incorrectly referred to the action as removing an “improvement”.
- Switch a number of Great Merchants to Great Admirals. Add Great General: Hannibal and Great Merchant: Jakob Fugger.
- Optimized overlay system (culture borders, etc.). This system is now making half the draw calls that it did before.
- Flavored all the civs for anti-air and air-carrier.
- Add a combat weapon parameter that allows for a projectile that is not going to do any damage to have a "miss" radius. The helps spread out projectiles when there are a lot of attackers, but only one or two targets.
- Modding: Fix the hard-coded length of the promotions boolean array.
- Modding: Provide a way for Lua to query if the UI is in "Touch Screen" mode UI.IsTouchScreenEnabled().
WIN8 AND ULTRABOOK
- Many performance optimizations specifically targeted to Ultrabooks with Intel Core processors with HD Graphics.
- New launcher button for Windows 8 Intel touch-enabled version.
- Touch/Gesture Support:
o New “gesture” menu button on main menu, and when you bring up the main menu in-game.
o New sliders to control zoom and momentum speed in Options menu.
o Single finger tap for all UI buttons.
o Single finger drag for scroll bars or two fingers together swiping to scroll menus by gesture.
o Single-finger touch and drag to see tool-tips (terrain, UI, etc.).
o Pinch and expand finger for camera zoom.
o Two fingers dragging together moves map.
o Three finger tap is “escape” (from other menus, or to bring up Main Menu).
o Unit Control:
+ Single-finger tap to select unit, and then drag to issue a movement order, or...
+ Double-tap to enter “movement mode”.
+ Once in movement mode, single-tap on destination to issue an order, or touch and drag to preview movement path.
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« Reply #402 on: November 02, 2012, 04:25:35 PM »

I'll be honest: I was not a huge fan of Civ 5, right up until the patch yesterday. It seems much more balanced now.
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« Reply #403 on: November 02, 2012, 04:39:51 PM »

Anything in particular win you over?  I've been waiting for a long time for the patch or expansion that would finally change the game enough for me to want to give it a second try.
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« Reply #404 on: November 02, 2012, 04:41:49 PM »

Does the patch affect the Vanilla version or is this for Gods expansion only?
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« Reply #405 on: November 03, 2012, 01:19:09 AM »

It affects both vanilla and the Gods expansion.

I can't say specifically what won me over. I didn't play it a whole ton after the last major patches. I played it a lot at first and just didn't like it, but here's what I like about it now:

Bonuses are actually substantial now for civics, as opposed to "you get 1 extra food if you meet these random conditions every once in a while."
Diplomacy actually makes a lot more sense now. You don't just get denounced for no good reason by every nation suddenly.
Opponents don't do stupid things as often now. One of the patch notes in this one says that they won't sit and heal while they're in range of an enemy city. I feel like the AI is at least putting up a fight now.

It just seems a little more balanced as well. Maybe my expectations are lower now, but it's just a better game at this point.
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« Reply #406 on: March 15, 2013, 04:29:41 PM »

Brave New World announced.

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Sid Meier's Civilization® V: Brave New World is the second expansion pack for Civilization V - the critically acclaimed 2010 PC Game of the Year. This new expansion provides enhanced depth and replayability through the introduction of international trade and a focus on culture and diplomacy. Your influence around the world will be impacted by creating Great Works, choosing an ideology for your people and proposing global resolutions in the World Congress. As you move through the ages of history you will make critical decisions that will impact your relationship with other civilizations.

Sid Meier's Civilization V: Brave New World also introduces nine new civilizations, eight new wonders, two new scenarios, four new gameplay systems and dozens of new units, buildings and improvements offering an expanded variety of ways to build the most powerful empire in the world.
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« Reply #407 on: March 15, 2013, 04:36:17 PM »

Maybe I should actually try playing the game at some point, especially since I've owned it for a while and recently completed buying all the available DLC.  icon_redface
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« Reply #408 on: March 15, 2013, 05:17:21 PM »

An expansion with focus on culture and diplomacy? Count me in! This is the weakest part of Civ 5 right now, since the other leaders are insane and warmongering no matter what you do. If the expansion fixes that, it'll be well worth it.
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« Reply #409 on: March 15, 2013, 05:39:39 PM »

Sweet, I think this expansion is what I've been waiting for to finally give the game a second try.
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« Reply #410 on: August 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM »

After 68 hours of total play, I have finally finished a game of Civ V. On Chieftain. I always play on large maps at epic speed and I always get bogged down in the end game and quit playing. Heck to win this game I think it took me 20 hours. It was fun though, too easy obviously, looking forward to starting again at a higher difficulty level.
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« Reply #411 on: August 01, 2014, 01:40:43 AM »

Quote from: Lee on August 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM

After 68 hours of total play, I have finally finished a game of Civ V. On Chieftain. I always play on large maps at epic speed and I always get bogged down in the end game and quit playing. Heck to win this game I think it took me 20 hours. It was fun though, too easy obviously, looking forward to starting again at a higher difficulty level.
That's impressive.  I've never had the focus needed to finish a game of Civ 5.  I really enjoy playing, and I tend to binge play for a few days, but then I get distracted by something else.  I've lost focus with pretty much every 4x or Civ type game I've ever played.   
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« Reply #412 on: August 01, 2014, 05:33:17 AM »

Quote from: Lee on August 01, 2014, 12:49:48 AM

After 68 hours of total play, I have finally finished a game of Civ V. On Chieftain. I always play on large maps at epic speed and I always get bogged down in the end game and quit playing. Heck to win this game I think it took me 20 hours. It was fun though, too easy obviously, looking forward to starting again at a higher difficulty level.

I have 294 hours (I know... I know) and I've probably only played like a dozen or so games to completion, if that. I can pretty consistently beat King, but moving up to Immortal just hands me my ass on a plate.

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« Reply #413 on: August 01, 2014, 11:18:35 PM »

294 hours sounds like a lot, but I noticed I have a couple of OO Steam friends who are over 2000 hours in Civ. I wish I could love a game so much that I played it that much.
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« Reply #414 on: August 03, 2014, 04:58:28 PM »

I'm sitting at 161 hours, and I finally made the move to Prince. I'm playing a quick game where I tie off a couple of achievements that I should probably get in Chieftain, then moving back to Prince.
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« Reply #415 on: August 03, 2014, 06:05:54 PM »

For difficulty level, I found the sweet spot to be Emperor.  I win about 90% of the time on King.  There is a big difficulty jump, IMO, on Emperor where my win percentage is only around 25%.  I don't like easy wins.

In the past couple of months, I've been working through each civilization to learn their strategies that take advantage of their unique abilities, buildings, and units.  Currently on Morocco, setting trade routes and generating a good amount of gold.  
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« Reply #416 on: August 03, 2014, 10:05:44 PM »

Am I missing something? When another enemy civ wants to trade a resource, I often wish I could check demographics. Is that my last unit of that resource?  When are my other trade agreements ending? Where are they in relation to me in everything else? Am I missing something or should I stay more familiar with that info on my turns?

Line of sight still confuses the hell out of me too. Had to read up on it today to see how it works. For units like cannons is there a way to see where you will be able to hit before hitting the set up button? Also it appears 3 range units are buggy and can be exploited. Odd that they haven't come up with a way to fix that.
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« Reply #417 on: August 04, 2014, 12:35:22 PM »

Quote from: Lee on August 03, 2014, 10:05:44 PM

Am I missing something? When another enemy civ wants to trade a resource, I often wish I could check demographics. Is that my last unit of that resource?  When are my other trade agreements ending? Where are they in relation to me in everything else? Am I missing something or should I stay more familiar with that info on my turns?

I don't think I've had the AI ever ask me for my last resource of something, but I could be wrong. Worst case you can decline, look at the demographics, and then just offer them the trade yourself. Pretty sure that doesn't affect anything.

Quote from: Lee on August 03, 2014, 10:05:44 PM

Line of sight still confuses the hell out of me too. Had to read up on it today to see how it works. For units like cannons is there a way to see where you will be able to hit before hitting the set up button? Also it appears 3 range units are buggy and can be exploited. Odd that they haven't come up with a way to fix that.

Terrain matters. If you are lower than the surrounding ground between you and the target, your range goes down by a hex or two. You also cannot fire over mountains (unless specified as a special ability).
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