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« Reply #240 on: June 03, 2007, 01:45:50 PM »

Quote from: disarm on June 03, 2007, 06:35:47 AM

i haven't caved to the point of buying this one yet, but i did rent it this evening and played for way too many hours considering that i have to work tomorrow.  truth be told, i'm enjoying it a lot more than i expected...and i haven't even tried racing online yet.  although i have a thing for european sports cars, i started a career with north america because i thought it appropriate to run the early races in my real-life car, an Acura RSX.  after kicking some ass for a while in my RSX, it was time for a shiny new car...the Porsche Cayman S.  i've now run enough races to reach level 15, i've upgraded my Cayman to an A836 rating, and i'm hooked.  i really think it's the career that has drawn me in this time...earning credits, buying new cars, upgrading old ones, then taking them out on the track and realizing just how differently they all feel seems to be thing things that are keeping me interested right now.

i have no doubt that i'll be playing the hell out of FM2 over the next week, but it remains to be seen if it will have its hooks in me enough to earn a purchase when i have to take the rental back...

That pretty much mirrors how I feel and what I posted above except i am only level 6 and my taste in cars is different. I didn't like the demo at all but really like the full game-a lot. The career, beating racees, earning money, upgrading, tuning-that shit is insanely addictive. I am too busy to get to the store in the next couple of days so  iam goi ngto hold off buying for a littl ebit, but if I stlil love it next weekend I am going to go pick it up.
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« Reply #241 on: June 03, 2007, 03:21:59 PM »

I've been unlucky with even ing play - family plans and all that. frown And now that I let me mo-in-law know we get the tennis channel it's all french open all day long. I like tennis too, but I'd rather be racing!
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« Reply #242 on: June 03, 2007, 04:29:03 PM »

Quote from: Lockdown on June 03, 2007, 10:08:37 AM

Quote from: Zinfan on June 03, 2007, 07:51:01 AM

Since I don't have a desk nearby to attach it to I got my ironing board out and pressed ( biggrin ) it into service as a stand.  Worked out really well since I could adjust the height to my prefered location and it can be stored away quickly once I'm done racing.  I did have to put a thin book between the clamp and the bottom of the ironing board because the tightening screw on the clamp couldn't get enough grip on the thin surface of the board.

BRILLIANT! 

I'm actually considering a wheel now because of this.  The ironing board is in the TV room.  Frequently right next to the couch.  If storage of the wheel weren't a big PIA...of course, I could move the damned Steel Battalion controller from our trunk/coffee table to the basement.  Hmm.  This requires some thought.

How do the pedals fit under the ironing board?
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« Reply #243 on: June 03, 2007, 05:36:34 PM »

Quote from: Bullwinkle on June 03, 2007, 04:29:03 PM

Quote from: Lockdown on June 03, 2007, 10:08:37 AM

Quote from: Zinfan on June 03, 2007, 07:51:01 AM

Since I don't have a desk nearby to attach it to I got my ironing board out and pressed ( biggrin ) it into service as a stand.  Worked out really well since I could adjust the height to my prefered location and it can be stored away quickly once I'm done racing.  I did have to put a thin book between the clamp and the bottom of the ironing board because the tightening screw on the clamp couldn't get enough grip on the thin surface of the board.

BRILLIANT! 

I'm actually considering a wheel now because of this.  The ironing board is in the TV room.  Frequently right next to the couch.  If storage of the wheel weren't a big PIA...of course, I could move the damned Steel Battalion controller from our trunk/coffee table to the basement.  Hmm.  This requires some thought.

How do the pedals fit under the ironing board?

They fit with no interference at all, I just put them between the legs of the board.  It really works well as a table for your wheel, I don't see myself getting anything else to use as a mounting device.

I do wish the power cord was a couple of feet longer since my electrical sockets are just barely within reach. 
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« Reply #244 on: June 04, 2007, 02:43:24 AM »

Sorry I couldn't talk during that last session guys, I'm not sure what happened to my mic.  I'll do a little  trouble shooting and see if I can figure it out.
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« Reply #245 on: June 04, 2007, 02:44:21 AM »

Found the wheel last night and, while I had no table to attach it to, it made a world of difference. The "Lockdown Sux", Viagra, Coca-Cola, #13, Honda CRX was tooling around like it owned the joint.

I could make some changes or use another car, but it's a classic!

Today I was at Target and grabbed one of those "As Seen On TV" (though I've never seen it on TV) adjustable, little, tables and it works great for those of you who have nothing to clamp it to. Semed like it would be too weak but works great. It folds all the way flat, too, for storage.

If I ever get to play again...you guys are screwed!!!

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http://www.tablemate2.com/table-mate_II_video3.html

Nice to see Lockdown putting that puzzle together on that site too. You finish that one up yet, Stinky? Looked like there was more than 6 pieces!

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« Reply #246 on: June 04, 2007, 07:30:55 AM »

i wasnt really interested in buying this game and was gonna give it a miss...but after reading the last 5 pages,i am hyped up for it(still isnt released until friday for me)....i loved gran turismo 3(not so much 4),so hopefully i will be a glued to it as i was GT3(and yeah i had the Nissan skyline...was that the big red car?..with the big fatass spoiler on the back?...if so,it wiped everything else in that game)

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« Reply #247 on: June 04, 2007, 11:49:00 AM »

So much fun this weekend.  I didn't follow the advise of Harkonis though, and ventured into the world of the Auction House.... to my doom. 

I got lost in there for over an hour just browsing all the stuff up for sale.  For the record, I loathe people with artistic ability because God granted me with none, and I'm terribly bitter about it.

I did work on my Audi though.  It's really not much more than putting my name all over it - but at least it something.

 


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« Reply #248 on: June 04, 2007, 12:00:03 PM »

If you want to be shamed by others' artistic abilities, check out some of the threads over at the FM.net Photo and Video forum.  Particularly this ever lengthening thread.  Some of the cars in there are very amateurish, but others are amazing considering the game hasn't even been out a week. 

And talk about a way to waste away time just looking at cars...
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« Reply #249 on: June 04, 2007, 12:36:36 PM »

I am soooo determined to beat the #1 time for B class on Maple Valley.  Keep your eyes peeled, I'm close slywink
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« Reply #250 on: June 04, 2007, 12:54:38 PM »

I love the Forza so far. so deep, so many options, so much racing to do. Played like 3 or 4 hours with my very limited time, unlocked some cars, went from unable to finish races to winning-finally got online with Ike yesterday and learned how to drive with TCS off-the long and short of it is that I don't suck completely anymore-and the game is awesome. It offers such different racing than DiRT (at least the demo) that I am 99% going to buy it at the end of the week when the rental is done and then have two great racing games to enjoy for the summer!

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« Reply #251 on: June 04, 2007, 01:01:42 PM »


Some of the designs don't have to be all that complicated to be awesome.  Damn!


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« Reply #252 on: June 04, 2007, 01:08:03 PM »



And this one made me think of our buddy Eightball
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« Reply #253 on: June 04, 2007, 01:21:36 PM »

Well I got a couple races in with some folks while my son was napping yesterday. It made me realize my D cars suck. biggrin I also started the Regional Championships which also reminded me that my D cars suck. Sadly I had just spent over 200k building the silliest fast Nissan possible for the Nissan cup and had no cash left to tweak any of my other cars.

BTW, I realize that I suck as a driver as well, but my cars sucked too! 90% of the single player races allow you to completely outclass your opponents and I've taken advantage of that, basically bringing an Abrams Tank to a knife fight. In one race I ran yesterday, I think it was in the Big Block challenge, I lapped the entire field.  icon_twisted As a result of this I have a lot of A, S and U cars and very few C and D cars.

So far I have avoided the need to re-run any races for cash, but it may come to that soon. In reality it appears I may need to do that to level soon as well as I am running out of races available to me and I definitely won't be able to unlock the level 30 races without grinding.
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« Reply #254 on: June 04, 2007, 01:40:19 PM »

Don't forget that you can win cash online Coop.  There's been a pretty good crowd of us racing every night since this game came out.  We've been mostly racing D cars though, so you may want to pick one up and tune it up to 400 just for MP.
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« Reply #255 on: June 04, 2007, 02:08:54 PM »

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Don't forget that you can win cash online Coop.  There's been a pretty good crowd of us racing every night since this game came out.  We've been mostly racing D cars though, so you may want to pick one up and tune it up to 400 just for MP.

The amount I can win online is abysmal, trust me. slywink I can grab 14k in a 10 minute race offline or 1k online. My D400 Miata is not good as I've learned. I think I built it for the 150hp cup.
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« Reply #256 on: June 04, 2007, 02:15:05 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on June 04, 2007, 02:08:54 PM

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Don't forget that you can win cash online Coop.  There's been a pretty good crowd of us racing every night since this game came out.  We've been mostly racing D cars though, so you may want to pick one up and tune it up to 400 just for MP.

The amount I can win online is abysmal, trust me. slywink I can grab 14k in a 10 minute race offline or 1k online. My D400 Miata is not good as I've learned. I think I built it for the 150hp cup.
Ugh the Miata is just a piece of trash. Thats one I hate already. I want to like my vintage Shelby, but with TCS off it handles worse than a pissed off rodeo bull. I can't control the rear of that car to save my life.
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« Reply #257 on: June 04, 2007, 02:31:21 PM »

My preferred ride at the moment is a 700+ hp Nissan R390 (U999 rating). I need to go back and work on D some as it's a different world.

I thought one of my Golf R32s was a D400 but I guess I was wrong, shame I really like the sound of that one. Having 30 or 40 cars (no idea what the actual count is - a lot!) makes it hard to remember what I even have available. Tongue

I wish I could do upgrades/downgrades in the MP lobby. I guess they don't let you because it would slow things down, but I needs it.
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« Reply #258 on: June 04, 2007, 03:03:40 PM »

I really blow online. I don't know if I cause a lot of crashes or if I'm just involved in a lot. Either way, it's ugly when I'm on the track near another car.

I also can't seem to keep up with anyone but the back of the pack when we play online. Is it my car or my shitty driving skills?
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« Reply #259 on: June 04, 2007, 03:06:04 PM »

Calvin you are really convincing me to pick this up!!  

Your previous postings about racing games are similar to my experiences.  I've always liked racing games but have sucked that i never got really far so i would quit.   I also liked the Dirt demo and sucked major at Forza's.  But what you are reporting has really peaked my interest.  

So are you playing with the gamepad and finding it's really doable with some practice?  Also, i have zero experience with tweaking cars.  Is it really necessary to know what you are doing to advance?
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« Reply #260 on: June 04, 2007, 03:09:45 PM »

I'm with Xmann and Calvin.

LOVE racing games, but never really get good at them. Hope it changes now.

I think some of you guys should do online lessons for us!!!
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« Reply #261 on: June 04, 2007, 03:27:18 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on June 04, 2007, 03:03:40 PM

I really blow online. I don't know if I cause a lot of crashes or if I'm just involved in a lot. Either way, it's ugly when I'm on the track near another car.

I also can't seem to keep up with anyone but the back of the pack when we play online. Is it my car or my shitty driving skills?

Hard to say -- definitely there are some tracks where you can have a car rated as D400 for example, and it won't come close to competing with another D400 car.  Which actually mirrors real life -- you can have two cars turn exactlythe same time at one track, and on another be wildly different. 

I haven't had too much time to invest in this game yet, so I mainly use a Mini Cooper S that is tweaked to D399.  However, I built it specifically to compete in the FWD challenge and deal with the tight, twisty tracks.  When I go online, I just can't hang with the guys whose cars are quicker (As mine tops out at something like 112mph) while at the same time I don't know the tracks well enough yet to maximize my cornering and keep speed up.

It's a learning process not only regarding how to drive, but also which cars and what states of tune ar appropriate for what tracks.
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« Reply #262 on: June 04, 2007, 03:41:42 PM »

Quote from: Devil on June 04, 2007, 03:09:45 PM

I'm with Xmann and Calvin.

LOVE racing games, but never really get good at them. Hope it changes now.

I think some of you guys should do online lessons for us!!!

That's actually a good idea.  We could go out for a race all running exactly the same stock cars, and have someone explain the differences between trying to drive a RWD, FWD, and 4WD car well, and go through the basics of race lines, ABS on/off, TCS on/off, etc.

At the very least, giving everyone a good idea of how racing lines work would reduce the number of crashes.
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« Reply #263 on: June 04, 2007, 03:49:53 PM »

It's also important that you are able to run at least 2 different lines around each track imo.  This way if you have to go through a turn with another car you both have a line you can follow.   Obviously not all turns permit multiple cars, but several do.
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« Reply #264 on: June 04, 2007, 03:55:37 PM »

...and if they don't, simply back off and wait for another opportunity to pass.  We have some guys who are excellent at biding their time and waiting for the right moment.  We have others that aren't so patient... 

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« Reply #265 on: June 04, 2007, 03:56:32 PM »

Quote from: Lockdown on June 04, 2007, 03:55:37 PM

...and if they don't, simply back off and wait for another opportunity to pass.  We have some guys who are excellent at biding their time and waiting for the right moment.  We have others that aren't so patient... 


Who might that be? paranoid
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« Reply #266 on: June 04, 2007, 04:06:13 PM »

Quote from: Eduardo X on June 04, 2007, 03:56:32 PM

Quote from: Lockdown on June 04, 2007, 03:55:37 PM

...and if they don't, simply back off and wait for another opportunity to pass.  We have some guys who are excellent at biding their time and waiting for the right moment.  We have others that aren't so patient... 


Who might that be? paranoid
Ike and I had an interesting convo about this last night. I totally do not understand this forced etiquette on the track and you are going to have to explain it to me (not Eddy, since I think he looks at it the same way-more to Hark, the rule maker I guess). I would not try to drive someone off the track running in a straight line, but why the hell can't I dart in front of you to slow you down if your a faster car? Why can't I fake wide and pull inside like its days of thunder and trick you? Why can't I get aggressive inside and pray for the best when I know that in general i am outclassed? It just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. As another poster mentioned-if there can't be any contact or risk at all-you are just racing against time. DiRT is giong to provide that, and I am stoked for that for sure-but the allure of multiplayer in part is the risk of having people around you.
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« Reply #267 on: June 04, 2007, 04:14:11 PM »

I try and call out when I'm going to attempt a pass on someone, but after that, I have no qualms about giving them a shove to the side if they get in the way.  I do think it's antisocial to hit people for fun, or try to do the rear quadrant "spin-out" hit, but I know of few opportunities for passing a car that's a little bit faster than you other than cutting those corners a little bit sharper.  That's going to lead to contact and people shouldn't be surprised when it happens.  If I think I've got a shot to get ahead, I won't hold back out of politeness.
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« Reply #268 on: June 04, 2007, 04:40:58 PM »

Some contact is racing.  Side to side contact is inevitable if both cars and drivers are equal.  If I leave the inside line open, I *expect* someone to try to dive in and take it... I'm prepared for that.  What's not cool is punting someone from the rear or brake checking someone to block them.  Other than that, I think incidental contact is fair game.

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« Reply #269 on: June 04, 2007, 04:50:11 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on June 04, 2007, 01:40:19 PM

Don't forget that you can win cash online Coop.  There's been a pretty good crowd of us racing every night since this game came out.  We've been mostly racing D cars though, so you may want to pick one up and tune it up to 400 just for MP.

I'm loving the multiplayer and have a blast, but I only play multiplayer for fun, not cash. Why? Here's an example: I played an hour last night and earned around 2,500 credits total. I played one race in single player and earned over 3000. icon_biggrin
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« Reply #270 on: June 04, 2007, 05:32:08 PM »

Quote from: gellar on June 04, 2007, 04:40:58 PM

Some contact is racing.  Side to side contact is inevitable if both cars and drivers are equal.  If I leave the inside line open, I *expect* someone to try to dive in and take it... I'm prepared for that.  What's not cool is punting someone from the rear or brake checking someone to block them.  Other than that, I think incidental contact is fair game.

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That sounds like what I am talking about, good to know you and Kath feel essentially the same way. How is break checking different (if at all) from simply maneuvering to block a pass?
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« Reply #271 on: June 04, 2007, 05:36:21 PM »

And approaching a turn, I thought it was etiquette/accepted that if the car coming up on the inside is even with the car on the outside, the outside car has to yield the inside racing line. However I've had several incidents where the outside car collides with me and I've been blamed for it, saying they had the line and I shouldn't cut across it. How close to the turn is considered to be "committed to the turn"? Not every car and every driver slavishly follows the recommended racing line through a turn, as it's not the best choice in each case. icon_smile
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« Reply #272 on: June 04, 2007, 05:50:03 PM »

Quote from: Farscry on June 04, 2007, 05:36:21 PM

And approaching a turn, I thought it was etiquette/accepted that if the car coming up on the inside is even with the car on the outside, the outside car has to yield the inside racing line. However I've had several incidents where the outside car collides with me and I've been blamed for it, saying they had the line and I shouldn't cut across it. How close to the turn is considered to be "committed to the turn"? Not every car and every driver slavishly follows the recommended racing line through a turn, as it's not the best choice in each case. icon_smile

I think the whole "racing line" argument is a gigantic cop out, to be honest.  Both cars have equal right to the road and equal responsibility to avoid contact (if that's what they want to do).  If someone outbrakes me on the inside of a turn, regardless of how late they do it, it's my job to find another way around that turn.  Sure every now and then someone tries an incredibly optimistic pass and ends up locking them up and going straight instead of turning, but in my opinion - *if you can make the turn*, you've earned your spot on the track.

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« Reply #273 on: June 04, 2007, 06:25:07 PM »

The problem, of course, with a videogame as opposed to RL, is that you can't see what's going on to the side of you.  My feeling is that blocking a faster car behind you is ok, and that car shouldn't rear end you.  However, if someone announces that they're next to you and is attempting to pass, it's bad form to force them off the road.  As always, let's remember that they're not real cars, and live by my motto, "Don't be a dick."

We have done a few races where everyone had the same car and I wouldn't mind doing more of those.  I think it would be educational and is more of a test of driving skill, rather than tweaking skill or car choice.  I would bet that the replays of those races would be very informative.  But it's also a lot of fun to race with the cars you've picked out and tuned, not to mention already have some experience with.

So, now that we've been playing for five days, what's the consensus for best overall D400 car?  I'm looking to do a little shopping.
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« Reply #274 on: June 04, 2007, 06:30:22 PM »

At D400, I've been surprisingly happy with my starter VW Corrado.  It has enough juice to keep up on most tracks (NY and the NASCAR oval excluded), and it handles pretty nicely.  The Focus ST is a close second.

I think C-class will be far more interesting to figure out the 'nice' cars, personally.  I've been ecstatic with the Lancia Delta that I juiced up to 550, and I think (so far) it's held up nicely.
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« Reply #275 on: June 04, 2007, 06:32:39 PM »

Quote from: IkeVandergraaf on June 04, 2007, 06:25:07 PM

The problem, of course, with a videogame as opposed to RL, is that you can't see what's going on to the side of you.  My feeling is that blocking a faster car behind you is ok, and that car shouldn't rear end you.  However, if someone announces that they're next to you and is attempting to pass, it's bad form to force them off the road.  As always, let's remember that they're not real cars, and live by my motto, "Don't be a dick."

We have done a few races where everyone had the same car and I wouldn't mind doing more of those.  I think it would be educational and is more of a test of driving skill, rather than tweaking skill or car choice.  I would bet that the replays of those races would be very informative.  But it's also a lot of fun to race with the cars you've picked out and tuned, not to mention already have some experience with.

So, now that we've been playing for five days, what's the consensus for best overall D400 car?  I'm looking to do a little shopping.

dude, I am a noob at this game, but even against the AI I use the right thumbstick to check my surroundings CONSTANTLY. Its nowhere near as easy or convenient as driving in RL, but if I am around a turn, chances are I have looked to see where you are-its not that hard.

As for the other thing, I agree completely. I think, whlie visually boring, having occasional races with identical cars is absolutely the best way to test individual driving skill.
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« Reply #276 on: June 04, 2007, 06:41:18 PM »

No right thumbstick on the wheel, n00b.  I'm also pretty good about checking my rear view mirror but when I'm trying to take a turn sometimes I get pretty focused on that turn.

Btw, the Microsoft wheel is EXCELLENT.  I don't think it's by any means necessary, and I don't know if it even makes me any better, but it definitely is fun and adds a lot to the immersion.

If anyone doesn't believe that I really own it, I would be happy to submit to a lie detector test (inside joke for those of us racing on friday night).
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« Reply #277 on: June 04, 2007, 07:40:51 PM »

I do the same as Calvin for most turns (sometimes I get too intent and forget) because it's simply so easy to snap the right stick to the side for a moment and get a view of what's happening.

No side-look on the wheel? That's crap.
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« Reply #278 on: June 04, 2007, 07:51:48 PM »

You can set up the paddles on the wheel to look left and right and since I use automatic transmission all the time that's what I did.  It is IMHO the biggest weakness of the wheel that it doesn't have all the buttons of the controller so some things get left out.  Oh and trying to drive a Ferrari 330 without traction control on is shall we say challenging  nod 
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« Reply #279 on: June 04, 2007, 08:55:09 PM »

I use manual transmission, so that won't work for me.  You can also set the face buttons to look around, but then I would lose the ability to pull up telemetry and damage/heat indicators.
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