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« on: October 27, 2004, 02:36:22 PM »

First off, I love the Nintendo Wavebird Wireless controllers and they have spoiled me .... so I will need to get wireless controllers.  Also, I have an HDTV, so I need cables for that... which are best.  Games...I'm a PC gamer too, so I mostly want exclusives that are awesome...

Summary Looking for advice on:
1.  wireless controller
2.  component cables
3.  game recommendations

Games I'm planning on getting now:
Burnout 3
Crimson Skies
Halo 1 & 2
Pro Evolution Soccer 4 (or winning eleven 8..whatever they call it)

Game background:
My favorite genre is probably strategy and rpg titles on the PC and for lots of titles I will still be buying the PC version (morrowind, etc...).  What I am getting the Xbox for is for Winning Eleven 8, rally/racing games, and other action titles.  Also, when a game is released for multiple console platforms, I'd like to be able to get the xbox version (ie... NHL 2005).  


thanks, Enigma
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« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2004, 02:42:19 PM »

As far as wireless controllers the new Logitech Precision Controller is probably your best bet but I can't whole-heartedly recommend it.  I find button response to be very hit and miss.  It may just be the unit I have but I have seen the problem mentioned on other forums.  I may try and swap it out with a new one though.  Battery life is excellent, the construcion is very durable, and it features vibration function.  Be warned- there are still some older, larger, Logitech wireless controllers that aren't as nice as the new version.  

 The Logitech PS2 equivalent, on the other hand, is fantastic and gets my vote for best controller ever over the Wavebird.  

As far as component cables- I would probably just pick up the standard ones included in the MS HD Pack.  I wouldn't go any cheaper but I also don't think its worth spending the extra bucks on Monster cables or anything like that.

As for games- excellent list and not too much I would add without some sort of background on your history of games on other consoles and the PC.
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« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2004, 02:46:15 PM »

I second Kevin's pick of the Logitech Precision Controller, its' excellent! I havne't had the problems with buttons that he mentioned.

I highly recommend getting it from Wal-Mart, where's it's $39, instead of $49 at most other places. Plus they have a 90 (!) day return policy.

As for games, if you like action/rpg's, X-Men Legends is great.  For racers, Project Gotham Racing 2 is a blast, and is only $16.99 now I think.
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« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2004, 02:54:25 PM »

I love my Pelican Wireless Controller  Never had any trouble with it.  It is under $30 so it iis a lot cheaper than the Logitech one.
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« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2004, 02:55:25 PM »

I have the Logitech Wireless controller and, no sir, I don't like it.  The thumbsticks are loose and the d-pad is even more so.  Also, the triggers are in an odd position.  The whole thing just feels cheap and too lightweight to me.  The other complaint, which I admit doesn't effect most people, is that it's too small.  I prefer the original big controller for my man mitts.  Most people seem to like the s-controller so I imagine this wouldn't be an issue.  All that said, I have one up for trade/sale if you'd like to snag it. smile

Awesome exclusives:
Project Gotham Racing 2  (better than Burnout 3 IMHO)
Burnout 3  (fun but frustrating and dependent on luck)
Crimson Skies
Fable
Gladius
MechAssault  (sequel is out soon)
Rainbow 6 III (different feel from the PC, still excellent though)
ESPN sports games are all $20 if you're interested in Hockey, Football or Basketball.

Ones you may have played on the PC:
Halo
Prince of Persia
KOTOR
Full Spectrum Warrior
Splinter Cell / Pandora Tomorrow
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« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2004, 03:09:14 PM »

You can get component cables for your x-box for about $20 at most game stores. Just make sure they're the component cables rather than the optical cables.
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« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2004, 03:14:07 PM »

With Halo 2 out in two weeks, don't bother with the first one. It's great up to the half-way point, then it just... dies.

Other games: Fable is fun, but I wouldn't point to it as a system seller. Burnout 3 looks frickin' awesome though, so if you're into destruction and fun racing that's the way to go. Chronicles of Riddick I cannot recommend enough. Still running high as my GOTY. smile
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« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2004, 03:20:49 PM »

Logitech Controller

Monster Cables (I like them and notice a difference)

PGR2
ESPN NHL
and a bunch of other stuff!
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« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2004, 03:32:38 PM »

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I have the Logitech Wireless controller and, no sir, I don't like it.  The thumbsticks are loose and the d-pad is even more so.  Also, the triggers are in an odd position.  The whole thing just feels cheap and too lightweight to me.  


How old is yours? I just got mine a month ago, and it feels anything but cheap or lightweight. VERY solid, and the quality to me seems even better than the s-controller (which is very good).  The thumbstick resistance to me feels exactly the same as my s-controller, and the d-pad is slightly looser than the s-controller.
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« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2004, 03:42:08 PM »

Given that you mentioned you like racing games most of the top ones have been mentioned- PGR 2, Burnout 3, and Rallysport Challenge 2 are tops.  

You mentioned action games- Ninja Gaiden must be mentioned but I would recommend a rental first.  Its brutal difficulty seems to have turned off as many as love it.  Otogi is a very underappreciated game- beautiful graphics, fast action, and not very expensive.  Its sequel was just released to even better reviews.  Similar to Ninja Gaiden in a lot of ways but not nearly as punishing.

Another action title- Panzer Dragoon Orta.  Rail shooter but very beautiful and very fun.
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« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2004, 03:46:07 PM »

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With Halo 2 out in two weeks, don't bother with the first one. It's great up to the half-way point, then it just... dies.

Other games: Fable is fun, but I wouldn't point to it as a system seller. Burnout 3 looks frickin' awesome though, so if you're into destruction and fun racing that's the way to go. Chronicles of Riddick I cannot recommend enough. Still running high as my GOTY. smile


I'd still recommend Halo before Halo 2- there is enough story setup in Halo that I would think it would really help with Halo 2 (which is supposedly more story focus).

I might recommend waiting on the PC port of Riddick though- depending on how well they implement melee combat I expect the PC port to be superior.
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« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2004, 03:55:56 PM »

I have the older heavy logitech wireless and it's great...rock solid and have never noticed any problems with button response or loose buttons/thumbsticks.

Right now is a great time for cheap games at Toys R Us...especially the newer ones still at $50 you have on your list.   The Blockbuster Gamerush stores also have a good selection of used XBox games and they're running a buy 1 get 1 50% off sale on all preowned as well...quick and easy way to pick up the ones not quite new (like Project Gotham Racing 2 and Crimson Skies for a total of $27.)
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« Reply #12 on: October 28, 2004, 12:30:14 AM »

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I have the Logitech Wireless controller and, no sir, I don't like it.  The thumbsticks are loose and the d-pad is even more so.  Also, the triggers are in an odd position.  The whole thing just feels cheap and too lightweight to me.  


How old is yours? I just got mine a month ago, and it feels anything but cheap or lightweight. VERY solid, and the quality to me seems even better than the s-controller (which is very good).  The thumbstick resistance to me feels exactly the same as my s-controller, and the d-pad is slightly looser than the s-controller.


Bought it two weeks ago with some birthday cash.  One other issue I have is that the thumbsticks don't have the indentions that keep my thumbs in place.  I'm glad it works for you, want another one? slywink
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« Reply #13 on: October 28, 2004, 01:32:08 AM »

i have the older, larger Logitech and i love it.  when i first got it, i kept hitting the A button on the way to the B button,  and didn't like the smoothness of the top on the analog stick, but that just took a bit of playing, i don't even notice it anymore.  everything else about it seems perfect, and i have small hands.  it's a little heavy with the four batteries, but i just sorta rest it in my lap.  i'd recommend it for anyone who thinks the small one is too small.  

i wanted another wireless, and just got one of the smaller ones, but haven't opened it yet, maybe i'd better....
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« Reply #14 on: October 28, 2004, 03:32:14 AM »

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Bought it two weeks ago with some birthday cash.  One other issue I have is that the thumbsticks don't have the indentions that keep my thumbs in place.  I'm glad it works for you, want another one? slywink


Actually, i just thought of a complaint about the Logitech. I don't know if this is the norm with all cordless controllers, but the force feedback is very weak. That's a bit disappointing.

In fact, rumble effects are pretty weak in general across the xbox titles I've tried. The dual-shock PS2 controller/games blow it away in that category.
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« Reply #15 on: October 28, 2004, 05:32:23 AM »

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As far as component cables- I would probably just pick up the standard ones included in the MS HD Pack.  I wouldn't go any cheaper but I also don't think its worth spending the extra bucks on Monster cables or anything like that.


I'd have to disagree with that statement; although you'll be paying for it (about 50-60 bux US) the monster HD kit is head and shoulders above the xbox one.

The grade of cables is better, the breakout box design for the MS ones leaves a lot to be desired. Monster also has a much sturdier jacket on it.

There is one catch with the monster cables; if you intend to use dolby 5.1 you've got to buy their optical cable. Not a big deal, but I thought I should warn you.

I've got 2 MS HD cable sets, and 1 monster cable set. (the first MS one was giving me grief (the R component signal degraded even though they never were moved...). I got the second one cuz I got it stupid-cheap through a buddy.

Since I have 2 HDTVs, I use the monster on the predominant Xbox set, and the MS works for the lesser used set.
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« Reply #16 on: October 28, 2004, 01:11:41 PM »

Back when I had my Xbox hooked up to my HDTV I tried both the Monster cables and MS ones and saw no discernable difference in image quality.  The Monster cables are certainly better constructed which may be a factor if you're concerned about the cables getting pinched.

I generally buy high quality cables for all of my A/V stuff but usually pass on Monster because I find them to be overpriced compared to other high-end brands.  Unfortunately most of those other brands don't make game cables.  

To give you an idea where I'm coming from- I'm such an image quality whore that I paid $500 to have my TV professionally calibrated and I took my game consoles off of the HDTV because IMO it made many (but not all) games look worse due to widespread lack of anti-aliasing and widescreen support.  I expect the next generation of consoles to support HD and widescreen natively though and may move them back at that point.
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« Reply #17 on: October 29, 2004, 03:25:13 AM »

As far as the cables go....these seem to be the only 2 I can find:

- Monster XBox GameLink 400 Component  [39.99 at gamestop.com]

- Microsoft XBox High Definition AV Pack  [19.99 at gamestop.com]

Are these the right ones?  The monster cable is a lot cheaper than previously mentioned...is it the same one??  If yes, which is best....seems there is mixed opinion on this.  Do I need audio cables as well?  I do have a surround system I can hook it to.
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« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2004, 03:51:21 AM »

My favorite genres are turn based strategy and PC RPGs, so my tastes on the PC side of things seem to mimic yours.  My favorite Xbox games have been:

KOTOR
Gladius
Splinter Cell
Ninja Gaiden

You might also want to look at the upcoming console RPG Lord of the Rings: The Third Age.  Its a console style RPG to be sure, gameplay wise, but the look and feel is all standard fantasy/Tolkien which is big change to the typical game in that genre.

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« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2004, 03:55:24 AM »

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As far as the cables go....these seem to be the only 2 I can find:

- Monster XBox GameLink 400 Component  [39.99 at gamestop.com]

- Microsoft XBox High Definition AV Pack  [19.99 at gamestop.com]



Go with the MS one.  The Monster cable one requires that you buy their brand of specially sized optical cable if you want 5.1 sound.   The MS one will accept the standard size optical cable that you can buy at any store.
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