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« on: July 29, 2014, 05:30:41 PM »

EA is rolling out a access plan for the XB1 for it's entire catalog for 4.99/mo or 29.99/yr  


My hunch is the XB1 is the test case before it rolls out the PS4 just my guess

If successful this is game changer , imo

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« Reply #1 on: July 29, 2014, 05:41:59 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 29, 2014, 05:30:41 PM

EA is rolling out a access plan for the XB1 for it's entire catalog for 4.99/mo or 29.99/yr  


My hunch is the XB1 is the test case before it rolls out the PS4 just my guess

If successful this is game changer , imo

From that article, it doesn't look like it's their entire catalog, it's "The Vault, a collection of EAs biggest games on Xbox One".  Newer titles, you get a 10% discount.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, for $5/month or $30/year you can play the old EA games that should already be Games with Gold freebies.
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« Reply #2 on: July 29, 2014, 05:42:51 PM »

I know a lot of people will shit on this idea, but I think it's a great thing.  There are plenty of titles (and a lot of them happen to be EA titles) that I only want to play for a short while.

the real kicker will be how limiting are they.  If they only offer gimped versions of new games and older games, it will be a fail for me.  Only way I'd get value from this is if I could play new games or fairly new games on it.

The wording of the release though seems to imply that many games will be a crippled trial to get you to buy the game, in which case this is really just them gating demos behind a paywall.  
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« Reply #3 on: July 29, 2014, 05:47:47 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on July 29, 2014, 05:41:59 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 29, 2014, 05:30:41 PM

EA is rolling out a access plan for the XB1 for it's entire catalog for 4.99/mo or 29.99/yr  


My hunch is the XB1 is the test case before it rolls out the PS4 just my guess

If successful this is game changer , imo

From that article, it doesn't look like it's their entire catalog, it's "The Vault, a collection of EAs biggest games on Xbox One".  Newer titles, you get a 10% discount.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, for $5/month or $30/year you can play the old EA games that should already be Games with Gold freebies.

Quote from: The Verge
Electronic Arts has announced a new subscription service that gives Xbox One owners access to some of its biggest games for a small monthly fee. Called EA Access, the service is launching to select users in beta today, with a starting price of $4.99 per month or $29.99 per year. The company says EA Access will "launch for everyone on Xbox One soon." Paying for the subscription will get you access to what EA calls its Vault, a collection of games you'll have unlimited access to as long as you're subscribed. During the beta, that will include a sampling of four titles FIFA 14, Madden NFL 25, Peggle 2, and Battlefield 4 though the company says more games will be added "soon."


Reading this it seems like 4 games are being rolled out now with more later.  Also you'll get early access to Dragon Age: Inquisition and Madden 15 with save games transferring if you buy the game.  If this is just for paid demos then it's a fail
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« Reply #4 on: July 29, 2014, 05:56:34 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on July 29, 2014, 05:41:59 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 29, 2014, 05:30:41 PM

EA is rolling out a access plan for the XB1 for it's entire catalog for 4.99/mo or 29.99/yr  


My hunch is the XB1 is the test case before it rolls out the PS4 just my guess

If successful this is game changer , imo

From that article, it doesn't look like it's their entire catalog, it's "The Vault, a collection of EAs biggest games on Xbox One".  Newer titles, you get a 10% discount.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, for $5/month or $30/year you can play the old EA games that should already be Games with Gold freebies.

Oh man, I didn't even consider this until your post, but you seem to have hit the nail on the head. This could very well be (I would say it's very likely to be) their attempt to barge into the PS+ / Games for Gold market to take a larger share for themselves, just like they did with Steam and Origin, and just like they did with the server situation on the Xbox 360.

If true, we can probably wave goodbye to any EA games, new or old, in PS+ or Games for Gold. EA will have fucked up a good thing for gamers once again.

This is the EA we know and "love".
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2014, 06:04:03 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on July 29, 2014, 05:56:34 PM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 29, 2014, 05:41:59 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 29, 2014, 05:30:41 PM

EA is rolling out a access plan for the XB1 for it's entire catalog for 4.99/mo or 29.99/yr  


My hunch is the XB1 is the test case before it rolls out the PS4 just my guess

If successful this is game changer , imo

From that article, it doesn't look like it's their entire catalog, it's "The Vault, a collection of EAs biggest games on Xbox One".  Newer titles, you get a 10% discount.

So unless I'm reading it wrong, for $5/month or $30/year you can play the old EA games that should already be Games with Gold freebies.

Oh man, I didn't even consider this until your post, but you seem to have hit the nail on the head. This could very well be (I would say it's very likely to be) their attempt to barge into the PS+ / Games for Gold market to take a larger share for themselves, just like they did with Steam and Origin, and just like they did with the server situation on the Xbox 360.

If true, we can probably wave goodbye to any EA games, new or old, in PS+ or Games for Gold. EA will have fucked up a good thing for gamers once again.

This is the EA we know and "love".

Yeah, that's how I read it.  If EA thinks Steam sales "cheapen intellectual property", imagine how much EA must hate Games with Gold and PS+ freebies. 
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2014, 06:07:51 PM »

As the gaming media digs in little warts are starting to pop up.  

Quote from: Joystiq
Keep in mind, there are caveats to this promotion. EA describes that early access as a "a limited trial," and not access to the full game. Further, according to the fine print, Titanfall is "excluded from all EA Access features,


While there is some value I just don't like the idea for subscribing to a glorified demo with just extra content.  If it was the full game sans DLC this would be a win in my book

More research.. Looks like games added to the vault (older titles) will be never be removed and will be the full game.  Newer titles are demos where you saved game will transfer over if you buy the retail version

Intrigued again
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2014, 06:09:18 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 29, 2014, 06:07:51 PM

As the gaming media digs in little warts are starting to pop up.  

Quote from: Joystiq
Keep in mind, there are caveats to this promotion. EA describes that early access as a "a limited trial," and not access to the full game. Further, according to the fine print, Titanfall is "excluded from all EA Access features,


While there is some value I just don't like the idea for subscribing to a glorified demo with just extra content.  If it was the full game sans DLC this would be a win in my book

If it was full games then awesome, but timed trials is worthless imo.
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« Reply #8 on: July 29, 2014, 06:16:46 PM »

Yeah, just seems like an extension of the EA Sports season ticket program.  It's all about monetizing things that people were getting for free.
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« Reply #9 on: July 29, 2014, 11:13:58 PM »

It seems a lot like PS+, but with only EA games.  You get full games (Madden 25, FIFA 14, Peggle 2, and Battlefield 4 to start), trials, and discounts.  If you like the games in question and they add games regularly, this doesn't seem like a bad deal.  The fact that PS+ is only $20 more kind of hurts the deal, though.
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« Reply #10 on: July 29, 2014, 11:19:19 PM »

Quote from: EddieA on July 29, 2014, 11:13:58 PM

It seems a lot like PS+, but with only EA games.  You get full games (Madden 25, FIFA 14, Peggle 2, and Battlefield 4 to start), trials, and discounts.  If you like the games in question and they add games regularly, this doesn't seem like a bad deal.  The fact that PS+ is only $20 more kind of hurts the deal, though.

It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

If you think that's bad, imagine what happens if EA succeeds and the other publishers notice. We're suddenly left with half a dozen different subscription services to get what we used to get with one or two (depending on whether or not you have one or both of the PS4 and Xbox One). If we're lucky.

Assuming these speculations are correct, EA just screwed us gamers over for the sake of their own bottom line. Business as usual.
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« Reply #11 on: July 30, 2014, 12:40:12 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on July 29, 2014, 11:19:19 PM



It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

I know its all hip to hate on EA these days be so what? What does EA owe Sony and PS+? Its their content. If they can monetize it good for them.
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« Reply #12 on: July 30, 2014, 01:36:27 AM »

Quote from: Jumangi on July 30, 2014, 12:40:12 AM

Quote from: TiLT on July 29, 2014, 11:19:19 PM



It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

I know its all hip to hate on EA these days be so what? What does EA owe Sony and PS+? Its their content. If they can monetize it good for them.

Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?
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« Reply #13 on: July 30, 2014, 01:36:44 AM »

Quote from: Jumangi on July 30, 2014, 12:40:12 AM

Quote from: TiLT on July 29, 2014, 11:19:19 PM



It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

I know its all hip to hate on EA these days be so what? What does EA owe Sony and PS+? Its their content. If they can monetize it good for them.

Tilt rightly fears the other major publisher going this route especially if EA turns a profit.  This seems like a dagger directed towards used games, imo.

If you're part of the XB1 Preview Program you should receive a beta invite.   I got mines this evening and I'm probably going to use this program to gauge its viability for me
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« Reply #14 on: July 30, 2014, 02:32:04 AM »

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Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?

It's a free market. Either they will make money, in which there was a demand for the service and their decision was justified, or they won't.

And while everybody is fighting this battle tooth and nail, in the end gamers WILL lose the fight over physical media. Physical media will be extinct by next-gen, and the concept of used games will be as antiquated as VHS rentals.
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« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2014, 02:42:09 AM »

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Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?

It's a free market. Either they will make money, in which there was a demand for the service and their decision was justified, or they won't.

That's how it plays out, yes, but consumers are also allowed to have reactions, positive or negative. What's the point of a discussion board if every opinion gets neutered to "one of the possible outcomes will be the outcome"?
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« Reply #16 on: July 30, 2014, 09:08:22 AM »

Downloaded the hub last night and you need a credit card on file to use. I only use stored MS Credit for purchases (which I have), so until EA releases the sub cards then I won't be using this service
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« Reply #17 on: July 30, 2014, 09:36:40 AM »

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Quote from: Jumangi on July 30, 2014, 12:40:12 AM

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It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

I know its all hip to hate on EA these days be so what? What does EA owe Sony and PS+? Its their content. If they can monetize it good for them.

Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?

I see nothing that is at the expense of gamers. Its an alternative way to get EA titles. Buy, rent, used, PS+, Games for Gold, F2P, gamers have many options these days. Your free to pick what you want. The market will decide if this works. Its called capitalism.
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« Reply #18 on: July 30, 2014, 09:59:00 AM »

Quote from: Jumangi on July 30, 2014, 09:36:40 AM

Quote from: wonderpug on July 30, 2014, 01:36:27 AM

Quote from: Jumangi on July 30, 2014, 12:40:12 AM

Quote from: TiLT on July 29, 2014, 11:19:19 PM



It might seem like a good deal for gamers until you realize that this means EA will stop providing their games (if they ever provided them. I don't recall) for PS+ and Games for Gold. They will want to push people into subscribing to their service instead, so that instead of taking a percentage of revenue, they get it all. They don't care if they fuck over Microsoft and Sony in the process. EA's world contains only EA, they don't care about the rest.

I know its all hip to hate on EA these days be so what? What does EA owe Sony and PS+? Its their content. If they can monetize it good for them.

Good for them? I don't get it. You're applauding their possible increased profits at the expense of gamers? Yay for corporations when they figure out how to get us to pay more money for the same things?

I see nothing that is at the expense of gamers. Its an alternative way to get EA titles. Buy, rent, used, PS+, Games for Gold, F2P, gamers have many options these days. Your free to pick what you want. The market will decide if this works. Its called capitalism.

The assumption we're discussing (which might very well turn out to be false, except this is EA we're talking about) is that this isn't an alternative way to get EA titles. It'll the ONLY way to get them through subscription services. That's why this is at the expense of gamers. They're likely reducing the value of existing services that lots and lots of people use, forcing them to purchase access to additional subscription services to regain what they might otherwise have gotten with their basic one.

Gamers don't benefit from this. EA does, and other publishers if they follow. Then again, the other publishers (even Activision) have turned out to not be big enough assholes to copy EA's Origin solution, so who knows.

It's very very very important to be skeptical when publishers present some new solution as beneficial to gamers. They often aren't, but they present it in such a way that it appears to be. The average consumer is very easily swayed by this kind of thing, which is the troublesome part. There are even people out there who will argue eagerly for EA's choice to pull all their games from Steam even though consumers gain nothing and lose lots from that deal, just because EA tries to steer the message.
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« Reply #19 on: July 30, 2014, 10:31:10 AM »

It appears Sony is thinking along the same lines as I am, at least if I'm reading their official statements about this correctly. Sony says that EA Access doesn't offer sufficient value to the Playstation users, and won't allow it on the PS4 for the time being. They're holding the door open in case the value proposition improves, but I'm at least glad to see that Sony is taking a stance against it, even if it happens to be for entirely selfish purposes.

Edit: Oops, misread. Sony isn't holding the door open. That was the journalist's take on the situation. Sony's door is officially closed, apparently.
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« Reply #20 on: July 30, 2014, 11:08:50 AM »

Quote from: TiLT on July 30, 2014, 10:31:10 AM

It appears Sony is thinking along the same lines as I am, at least if I'm reading their official statements about this correctly. Sony says that EA Access doesn't offer sufficient value to the Playstation users, and won't allow it on the PS4 for the time being. They're holding the door open in case the value proposition improves, but I'm at least glad to see that Sony is taking a stance against it, even if it happens to be for entirely selfish purposes.

Edit: Oops, misread. Sony isn't holding the door open. That was the journalist's take on the situation. Sony's door is officially closed, apparently.

Actually, the way I read Sony's statement is that they would prefer not a offer a competitor to PS+ which is good for them, but if this leads to EA offering exclusive to MS and EA Access this might drive buyers to the XB1.


Anyway, good for Sony as I am curious to see how this plays out.  Make no mistake I like the idea of EA Access and I'm willing to give it a spin
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« Reply #21 on: July 30, 2014, 11:16:22 AM »

This is one case where I have no problem letting Microsoft get an "exclusive". slywink

Sony likely looked at EA's proposal and realized that it would only hurt PS+, both for themselves and for the players. Unless EA actually pay them to include the program (beyond mere license fees), EA Access can only hurt the PS4, both from an economic and customer relationship angle. The Xbox One too, of course. I guess we'll get to see with that one. Microsoft has been struggling (but getting better) with catching up to PS+ with their Games for Gold initiative, and it will be interesting to see how EA Access affects that. Games for Gold won't benefit from it, at least, and can be outright hurt by it as described above. Microsoft will only benefit from EA Access if it attracts more buyers of the hardware, and I really can't see that service doing that in any measurable way.
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« Reply #22 on: July 30, 2014, 01:56:58 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 30, 2014, 11:08:50 AM

Make no mistake I like the idea of EA Access and I'm willing to give it a spin

Which part appeals to you the most -- the access to new EA games, access to their older library, the chance of a lower overall yearly cost to play the EA games you usually buy? 
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« Reply #23 on: July 30, 2014, 02:41:33 PM »

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Quote from: Soulchilde on July 30, 2014, 11:08:50 AM

Make no mistake I like the idea of EA Access and I'm willing to give it a spin

Which part appeals to you the most -- the access to new EA games, access to their older library, the chance of a lower overall yearly cost to play the EA games you usually buy? 

Access older games mostly which I have no real desire to own, but would like to play.  I understand this a dangerous slope, but I am intrigued by this program and I fully understand that I might be contributing to other publisher pushing their own sub programs
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« Reply #24 on: July 30, 2014, 02:59:07 PM »

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Quote from: wonderpug on July 30, 2014, 01:56:58 PM

Quote from: Soulchilde on July 30, 2014, 11:08:50 AM

Make no mistake I like the idea of EA Access and I'm willing to give it a spin

Which part appeals to you the most -- the access to new EA games, access to their older library, the chance of a lower overall yearly cost to play the EA games you usually buy? 

Access older games mostly which I have no real desire to own, but would like to play.  I understand this a dangerous slope, but I am intrigued by this program and I fully understand that I might be contributing to other publisher pushing their own sub programs

For that situation, it's already pretty easy to see $5/month being cheaper than doing RedBox rentals (assuming RedBox started stocking PS4/XB1 versions).  Steam sales offer another avenue for getting older games cheaply, but whattayaknow, EA games never show up on Steam. 
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« Reply #25 on: July 30, 2014, 04:28:54 PM »

fwiw, Crysis 3 (an EA published game) is free next month on PS+.  Battlefield 3 and Kingdoms of Amalur were on it a year ago as well. 

They aren't that common on PS+, but they have had them on (and still do). 
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« Reply #26 on: July 30, 2014, 05:22:01 PM »

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fwiw, Crysis 3 (an EA published game) is free next month on PS+.  Battlefield 3 and Kingdoms of Amalur were on it a year ago as well. 

They aren't that common on PS+, but they have had them on (and still do). 

Dead Space 3 was free on PS+ last month.
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« Reply #27 on: August 03, 2014, 10:26:56 PM »

I pulled the trigger and signed up for a month today.

For $5 I can play FIFA 14, Madden NFL 25, and Battlefield 4, all games which I am interested in playing but don't want to pony up $60 for. That's a great deal.

If the pricing stays the same, I would definitely pay $30 a year for it. The only reason I didn't jump on that right away is that I want to see if the quality of the titles stays the same, or if they're just rolling out their heavy hitters for the beta to get people hooked.
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« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 07:33:43 PM »

I haven't bought a Madden game in years but the commercial EA made for this season's game is hilariously, yet bizarrely, epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DL0W9AUCuY
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« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 11:33:00 PM »

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I haven't bought a Madden game in years but the commercial EA made for this season's game is hilariously, yet bizarrely, epic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DL0W9AUCuY

Yeah, I couldn't care less about Madden, but even I found that to be interesting marketing.
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« Reply #30 on: September 09, 2014, 12:30:09 AM »

Just a bump to note that they've added Need For Speed: Rivals to the Vault. Doubt that will sway many fence-sitters, but additional games is a good thing.
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