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« Reply #120 on: April 03, 2014, 03:34:02 PM »

Quote from: Crawley on April 03, 2014, 02:35:32 AM

A warning about the DLC: The Falcon and the Unicorn

As much as I loved Legacy (which was quite a lot) this DLC is shit. I'm going to spolierize this as it speaks to the initial part of the DLC but honestly if you were thinking of getting the DLC I would recommend just spoiling a bit of the start here to know what you're getting in to. So here we go:

Spoiler for Hiden:
Know all those cool weapons, armor, and items you fought so hard for? They get taken away at the very start of the DLC. You're basically left fighting with a few normal weapons/armor, and very few potions. And you have to fight against very difficult monsters where the only thing that really does any harm is your magic since you're weapons are crap. Plus because your armor is crap they monsters you pretty easily. And because you have hardly any potions to start with you'll be saving them and resting after each battle. But likely shit will go wrong in the battle so you have to re-load and try again anyways (remember the re-loads in the game take about 30+ seconds).

And to top this off when they finally gave me some weapons they only provided 2 swords. Well I have one sword/shield wielder and then one sword dual wielder. But they provided like 4 spears. I still don't have a second sword for my duel wielder.

Now if that wasn't bad enough after slugging your way through all these monsters (which get more difficult) you have to do a boss battle where he can kill you in one shot. Plus he's paired with two of the more difficult monsters that will feeblemind your casters - so if all your casters that can remove feeblemind get it, that's it for the battle as you sure as hell not winning it with melee or without heals. You do not get potions to remove feeblemind - they were taken away.

Now the other thing to warn you about is the very start of this DLC after you lose your weapons you have to make your way through a dungeon, which is a bit of a puzzle. However if you make a wrong move you are instantly dead. And you have to re-load. And you make a LOT of mistakes. Each mistake means an annoying 30+ second reload!

So I don't know who thought up the difficulty and the general annoyance of the start of this DLC but its terrible. I'm fine for some difficulty but none of these changes provide any enjoyment or sense of accomplishment. It basically seems to be put in there to annoy and wear you down. This is supposed to be a fun game and they lost sight of that.
I like a good challenge, but that doesn't sound remotely fun.
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« Reply #121 on: April 04, 2014, 02:38:07 PM »

hooray for artificially imposed restrictions and purposefully made design choices to screw you if you did anything other than what they wanted.  I hate those kinds of levels. 
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« Reply #122 on: April 04, 2014, 04:06:11 PM »

I'm so glad I pre-purchased this back in August for the Mac version. Yep, still not out.
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« Reply #123 on: April 13, 2014, 10:40:00 PM »

computer is in.  I played might and magic as well as the wizardry series back in the day.

I am ready to jump on this, but wanted to make it clear.   This game is a buy for a guy like me right?

Steam, standard edition or delux edition?

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« Reply #124 on: April 13, 2014, 11:08:25 PM »

I loved it and I played it at release pre game saving patches. But I also love dungeon crawlers.

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« Reply #125 on: April 14, 2014, 05:01:24 PM »

Loved it as well.

Would skip the Deluxe version as the DLC is terrible in my opinion. There's a post from me earlier on it. But the main game is a lot of fun and plenty long.
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« Reply #126 on: April 15, 2014, 05:18:55 PM »

The core game is a lot of fun.  Good, old school turn based, party based rpg.  My only complaint is that the game engine performed poorly in certain areas of the game world.  There's an area in the NW corner of the world that crushed my framerate, and I have a decent rig.
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« Reply #127 on: April 15, 2014, 05:47:26 PM »

Quote from: Roguetad on April 15, 2014, 05:18:55 PM

The core game is a lot of fun.  Good, old school turn based, party based rpg.  My only complaint is that the game engine performed poorly in certain areas of the game world.  There's an area in the NW corner of the world that crushed my framerate, and I have a decent rig.

The engine for this game is just terrible. I don't understand why they went the route they did. Why not just use an established Engine like Unreal 3 and modify it to the game. For starters it would have looked much better and it would have actually performed much better. Plus it would be much more future proof for sequels than the MMX engine is. I don't get it. But hey the game was still fun anyway.
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« Reply #128 on: April 15, 2014, 07:45:15 PM »

Quote from: Scraper on April 15, 2014, 05:47:26 PM

Quote from: Roguetad on April 15, 2014, 05:18:55 PM

The core game is a lot of fun.  Good, old school turn based, party based rpg.  My only complaint is that the game engine performed poorly in certain areas of the game world.  There's an area in the NW corner of the world that crushed my framerate, and I have a decent rig.

The engine for this game is just terrible. I don't understand why they went the route they did. Why not just use an established Engine like Unreal 3 and modify it to the game. For starters it would have looked much better and it would have actually performed much better. Plus it would be much more future proof for sequels than the MMX engine is. I don't get it. But hey the game was still fun anyway.

For me it ony ran terrible in one section of the mountains. I didn't hit that till somewhat near the end of the game and only needed to go through there twice. So while the frame rate was terrible in that me area it was a pretty minor problem overall.
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« Reply #129 on: April 18, 2014, 01:29:53 AM »

Quote from: Roguetad on April 03, 2014, 03:34:02 PM

Quote from: Crawley on April 03, 2014, 02:35:32 AM

A warning about the DLC: The Falcon and the Unicorn

As much as I loved Legacy (which was quite a lot) this DLC is shit. I'm going to spolierize this as it speaks to the initial part of the DLC but honestly if you were thinking of getting the DLC I would recommend just spoiling a bit of the start here to know what you're getting in to. So here we go:

Spoiler for Hiden:
Know all those cool weapons, armor, and items you fought so hard for? They get taken away at the very start of the DLC. You're basically left fighting with a few normal weapons/armor, and very few potions. And you have to fight against very difficult monsters where the only thing that really does any harm is your magic since you're weapons are crap. Plus because your armor is crap they monsters you pretty easily. And because you have hardly any potions to start with you'll be saving them and resting after each battle. But likely shit will go wrong in the battle so you have to re-load and try again anyways (remember the re-loads in the game take about 30+ seconds).

And to top this off when they finally gave me some weapons they only provided 2 swords. Well I have one sword/shield wielder and then one sword dual wielder. But they provided like 4 spears. I still don't have a second sword for my duel wielder.

Now if that wasn't bad enough after slugging your way through all these monsters (which get more difficult) you have to do a boss battle where he can kill you in one shot. Plus he's paired with two of the more difficult monsters that will feeblemind your casters - so if all your casters that can remove feeblemind get it, that's it for the battle as you sure as hell not winning it with melee or without heals. You do not get potions to remove feeblemind - they were taken away.

Now the other thing to warn you about is the very start of this DLC after you lose your weapons you have to make your way through a dungeon, which is a bit of a puzzle. However if you make a wrong move you are instantly dead. And you have to re-load. And you make a LOT of mistakes. Each mistake means an annoying 30+ second reload!

So I don't know who thought up the difficulty and the general annoyance of the start of this DLC but its terrible. I'm fine for some difficulty but none of these changes provide any enjoyment or sense of accomplishment. It basically seems to be put in there to annoy and wear you down. This is supposed to be a fun game and they lost sight of that.
I like a good challenge, but that doesn't sound remotely fun.

So I revisited this and was finally able to push forward past the initial area. This is spoilery but may help get past this section if stuck.

Spoiler for Hiden:
Basically if you're a might based party or 2 of your party members are might based your going to have a hell of a time. I was stuck on the first boss as he would kill me and feeblemind my casters which required a reload. However I found that buffing myself, with whatever made sense, before entering the battle helped some. After doing that it took me 3 or 4 more tries to finally kill the boss.

But then its on the next area with the same difficult fights. And if you don't have the fire spell to protect you from sleep then forget. Thankfully I had that. But the next boss battle is even more difficult than the first as he'll one shot the entire party before you even reach him. Again it's pre-buffing and a lot of luck to beat him.

Thankfully after that you get your shit back so the game can become one again enjoyable.

But even with what I know now I still wouldn't recommend the DLC. Its just way too unforgiving.
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« Reply #130 on: April 18, 2014, 01:49:24 AM »

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« Reply #131 on: April 18, 2014, 03:47:04 AM »

And I'm done.

The DLC is pretty short. Basically two areas. The next-to-impossible first area and then the doable second area. It probably took me about 6-7 hours to finish. But I'd say 3-4 of those hours are in the first area just with all the deaths and re-loading. The second area wasn't a complete breeze, and had some pretty annoying setups for battles, but I didn't run in to any major issues. If it wasn't for the setup of the first area the DLC probably would have taken all of two and half hours to complete.

Overall the DLC was not fun.
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« Reply #132 on: April 18, 2014, 11:15:37 AM »

Quote from: Crawley on April 18, 2014, 03:47:04 AM

And I'm done.

The DLC is pretty short. Basically two areas. The next-to-impossible first area and then the doable second area. It probably took me about 6-7 hours to finish. But I'd say 3-4 of those hours are in the first area just with all the deaths and re-loading. The second area wasn't a complete breeze, and had some pretty annoying setups for battles, but I didn't run in to any major issues. If it wasn't for the setup of the first area the DLC probably would have taken all of two and half hours to complete.

Overall the DLC was not fun.

I may try the DLC one day, but your report is more than enough to put me off for now.
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« Reply #133 on: April 27, 2014, 02:25:18 PM »

The mac version finally hit. This is definitely my kind of game. I've always loved the M & M and Wizardry games so this is a real treat. The game looks and plays great on my macbook retina at 1920 rez. This game just screams old school.

How great would this be on a tablet?
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