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« on: November 02, 2007, 01:24:13 PM »

At first I was appalled at the thought of not having backwards compatibility.  But now that I think about it, it seems like quite a good deal.  First off, it's down to $399 or 39,000 yen which for me would only be about $350.  Secondly, I read that they have a 65 nm chip and are much more power efficient than the old PS3's and that they are even quieter.  It comes with a reasonably large HD at 40 gigs and it comes with wi-fi.  It still has an extremely worthwhile Bluray player as well to boot.  The only downside is that it has lost its backwards compatibility.  But now that I think about it-I don't really give a damn about backwards compatibility.  I mean, the PS2 had backwards compatibility as well and I played a few PS1 games on it but I honestly can't remember the last time I played a PS1 game.  In fact, I haven't really even been playing the PS2 games either!  So the more I think about it, the more the PS3 seems like a great deal!  Oh and I forgot that the PS3 is finally starting to get some good games out! So am I missing anything here? Any reason to not pick up one of these new versions?  Has anybody gotten one yet?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2007, 01:50:43 PM »

Oooh a 39,000 yen PS3 is actually only $320 Canadian!! and I get 10% Bic Points at Bic Camera! That makes for like...a $290 CDN PS3!
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2007, 01:56:34 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on November 02, 2007, 01:50:43 PM

Oooh a 39,000 yen PS3 is actually only $320 Canadian!! and I get 10% Bic Points at Bic Camera! That makes for like...a $290 CDN PS3!

Punk. See, us yanks don't have those crazy options like you do to really bring down the price. Tongue

That said - I'm glad I have the 60GB version with full BC, as mine since purchase has been little but a PS2 gaming machine. At least with R&C, it's finally seeing some gaming time.
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2007, 03:12:09 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on November 02, 2007, 01:50:43 PM

Oooh a 39,000 yen PS3 is actually only $320 Canadian!! and I get 10% Bic Points at Bic Camera! That makes for like...a $290 CDN PS3!

Wow, if I could pick up 1 for that price in Canada I'd be on it like a fly on...well...I'm sure you get the picture. I think whether or not the 40GB is a good option depends upon your current SD/HD TV situation. If you have enough input ports to host a PS3 + PS2 then it really doesn't matter at all, especially with the newer PS2's since they're so small. And of course if you feel you're done with all possible PS2 gaming, then it's also a non issue.
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« Reply #4 on: November 02, 2007, 03:46:55 PM »

Canuck, if you truly don't care about BC, then the 40 gig PS3 at that price is a great buy for all the reasons you listed

the PS3 hardware is really nice technologically, just needs more games as everyone knows.  R&C is a spectacular game, as has been said elsewhere.  Resistance too
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« Reply #5 on: November 02, 2007, 05:40:14 PM »

The 40gb version is a good deal, even without BC.  As you mention, they're getting a lot of good games out this and next month, and continuing into 2008 where we'll see games like MGS4, FF13, Killzone 2, LittleBigPlanet, SOCOM, and other stuff Sony's got under wraps for now, stuff like Heavy Rain, God of War 3, and the Sony rep event mentioned some older Sony series getting the sequel/remake treatment for the PS3.

Lack of early BC didn't hurt MS in any way, which makes me think that Sony should have launched with a really cheap non-BC 20gb, no wireless model from the very beginning.  However, I do have to say that my 60gb has gotten a lot of use out of its BC, if only because I missed out on a giant chunk of PS2 games.
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« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2007, 11:44:38 AM »

Is it a good deal?  sure. 

BC is my bone of contention, though.  I have an older, non-slim PS2 so when I get a PS3, I want the BC.  My old PS2 is just getting on in age... it stopped playing dvd movies a while back. 

I totally get the example of not playing PS1 games anymore... 'm in that boat now.  But when I get the new system, the library will mainly be PS2 games. 
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« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2007, 03:09:23 PM »

Quote from: only1 on November 06, 2007, 11:44:38 AM

Is it a good deal?  sure. 

BC is my bone of contention, though.  I have an older, non-slim PS2 so when I get a PS3, I want the BC.  My old PS2 is just getting on in age... it stopped playing dvd movies a while back. 

I totally get the example of not playing PS1 games anymore... 'm in that boat now.  But when I get the new system, the library will mainly be PS2 games. 

then the 40gig is obviously not the version for you.  get the 60gig or 80gig
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« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2007, 04:10:09 PM »

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then the 40gig is obviously not the version for you.  get the 60gig or 80gig

lol... that's the idea.  If I had a newer PS2, then I probably would consider the 40gb... but no, not for me.  That' doesn't mean it's wrong for everyone though...
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« Reply #9 on: November 06, 2007, 04:45:25 PM »

you could always get the 40 gig and wait for the new PS2 design  icon_wink
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« Reply #10 on: November 06, 2007, 04:51:39 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on November 06, 2007, 04:45:25 PM

you could always get the 40 gig and wait for the new PS2 design  icon_wink
Yeah . . . read that link if you wondered where the Emotion Engine they stopped putting into the PS3s went . . .

On topic . . . my friend got one anticipating me getting an 80 gig one between now and Christmas.
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« Reply #11 on: November 06, 2007, 04:55:18 PM »

If I was to get 1 right now I'd need the BC of the 80 GB model. I just bought a 360 so I don't currently have that kind of cash on hand. I'm going to wait until next fall and hopefully by then 1 of 2 things has occurred; 1. I've cleaned out my PS2 backlog or, 2. The 80 GB model has seen a further price drop.
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« Reply #12 on: November 06, 2007, 05:37:01 PM »

If you DO want the 40GB PS3, there is a great deal at Dell:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1320793

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« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2007, 05:49:00 PM »

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2007, 05:37:01 PM

If you DO want the 40GB PS3, there is a great deal at Dell:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1320793

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nice, Ratchet and Clank plus a HDMI cable (or does it come with one now anyways?).
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« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2007, 06:24:56 PM »

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2007, 05:37:01 PM

If you DO want the 40GB PS3, there is a great deal at Dell:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1320793

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« Reply #15 on: November 06, 2007, 06:33:58 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on November 06, 2007, 06:24:56 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2007, 05:37:01 PM

If you DO want the 40GB PS3, there is a great deal at Dell:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1320793

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Ooh, my wife would have my jewels... well... even more than she already does.

Nevermind that's Dell Canada, can't even find the 40GB on the US site.
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« Reply #16 on: November 06, 2007, 06:37:02 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on November 06, 2007, 06:33:58 PM

Quote from: coopasonic on November 06, 2007, 06:24:56 PM

Quote from: gellar on November 06, 2007, 05:37:01 PM

If you DO want the 40GB PS3, there is a great deal at Dell:

http://accessories.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=A1320793

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Ooh, my wife would have my jewels... well... even more than she already does.

Nevermind that's Dell Canada, can't even find the 40GB on the US site.

Bugger it is... stupid kotaku.

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« Reply #17 on: November 06, 2007, 07:19:13 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on November 02, 2007, 01:24:13 PM

Secondly, I read that they have a 65 nm chip and are much more power efficient than the old PS3's and that they are even quieter.

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First off, the reports that the 40GB PS3 are using 65nm chips are incorrect. Sony confirmed to Heise Online (thanks Engadget) that the 90nm CPU is still being used. However, Sony also confirmed that the design had been updated to consume significantly less power--from 180-200 watts originally to 120-140 now. That's extremely impressive, and it should make the new unit significantly quieter.
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« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2007, 07:36:36 PM »

On the flip side though - the PS3 is quiet IMHO. Yes, the fan does whir up when you start playing for a while, however it's a low hum that's easily overpowered by any noise the game itself is making.

The 360 has a VERY high pitched whine in its fans, which can be heard no matter how loud the game is (unless you REALLY have it turned up).

Now, the heat generated and the different wattage does make a difference over time.
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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2007, 08:40:11 PM »

Quote from: only1 on November 06, 2007, 11:44:38 AM

Is it a good deal?  sure. 

BC is my bone of contention, though.  I have an older, non-slim PS2 so when I get a PS3, I want the BC.  My old PS2 is just getting on in age... it stopped playing dvd movies a while back. 

I totally get the example of not playing PS1 games anymore... 'm in that boat now.  But when I get the new system, the library will mainly be PS2 games. 

Just so you know, PS1 backwards compatibility is still there IIRC.  PS1 backwards compatibility was always handled via software, so it doesn't cost them anything to have PS1 compatibility in the 40 GB PS3.  Since the PS2 BC was driven by hardware in the PS3, removing the hardware is what causes the BC to be gone.

At least I am pretty sure that I read that someplace.
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« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2007, 09:30:07 PM »

Quote from: Graham on November 06, 2007, 08:40:11 PM

Quote from: only1 on November 06, 2007, 11:44:38 AM

Is it a good deal?  sure. 

BC is my bone of contention, though.  I have an older, non-slim PS2 so when I get a PS3, I want the BC.  My old PS2 is just getting on in age... it stopped playing dvd movies a while back. 

I totally get the example of not playing PS1 games anymore... 'm in that boat now.  But when I get the new system, the library will mainly be PS2 games. 

Just so you know, PS1 backwards compatibility is still there IIRC.  PS1 backwards compatibility was always handled via software, so it doesn't cost them anything to have PS1 compatibility in the 40 GB PS3.  Since the PS2 BC was driven by hardware in the PS3, removing the hardware is what causes the BC to be gone.

At least I am pretty sure that I read that someplace.

Everything I have read indicates that all of the PS3 versions are backwards compatible with PS1 games . . . how else would they sell them to you via download in their online store?
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« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2007, 10:15:52 PM »

Quote from: ras752000 on November 06, 2007, 09:30:07 PM

Quote from: Graham on November 06, 2007, 08:40:11 PM

Quote from: only1 on November 06, 2007, 11:44:38 AM

Is it a good deal?  sure. 

BC is my bone of contention, though.  I have an older, non-slim PS2 so when I get a PS3, I want the BC.  My old PS2 is just getting on in age... it stopped playing dvd movies a while back. 

I totally get the example of not playing PS1 games anymore... 'm in that boat now.  But when I get the new system, the library will mainly be PS2 games. 

Just so you know, PS1 backwards compatibility is still there IIRC.  PS1 backwards compatibility was always handled via software, so it doesn't cost them anything to have PS1 compatibility in the 40 GB PS3.  Since the PS2 BC was driven by hardware in the PS3, removing the hardware is what causes the BC to be gone.

At least I am pretty sure that I read that someplace.

Everything I have read indicates that all of the PS3 versions are backwards compatible with PS1 games . . . how else would they sell them to you via download in their online store?

I don't see how downloading the game to be emulated on the PS3 would be the same as reading a PS1 disc. The Wii plays N64 and SNES games, it doesn't mean that it's backwards compatible towards N64 and SNES games.
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« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2007, 10:55:37 PM »

Quote from: Ridah on November 06, 2007, 10:15:52 PM

I don't see how downloading the game to be emulated on the PS3 would be the same as reading a PS1 disc. The Wii plays N64 and SNES games, it doesn't mean that it's backwards compatible towards N64 and SNES games.
They are not selling PS2 games in the online store are they?
I would think PS1 software emulation could be applied to the discs and the downloaded format . . .

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/828/828443p2.html
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The 40 gigabyte from a backwards compatibility perspective -- it'll play PS One games but we've basically removed the PS2 backwards compatibility.

Of course this could be wrong . . . I'm thinking about digging up a PS1 disc and giving it to my friend to take home tommorow to get the definitive answer . . .
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« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2007, 11:52:27 PM »

I'll be buying mine from Japan so both PS2 and PS1 games will not work on mine (that I can understand anyways).
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« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2007, 01:10:45 AM »

Quote from: ras752000 on November 06, 2007, 10:55:37 PM

Quote from: Ridah on November 06, 2007, 10:15:52 PM

I don't see how downloading the game to be emulated on the PS3 would be the same as reading a PS1 disc. The Wii plays N64 and SNES games, it doesn't mean that it's backwards compatible towards N64 and SNES games.
They are not selling PS2 games in the online store are they?
I would think PS1 software emulation could be applied to the discs and the downloaded format . . .

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/828/828443p2.html
From an interview with Peter Dille, Sony Computer Entertainment America's senior vice president of Marketing.
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The 40 gigabyte from a backwards compatibility perspective -- it'll play PS One games but we've basically removed the PS2 backwards compatibility.

Of course this could be wrong . . . I'm thinking about digging up a PS1 disc and giving it to my friend to take home tommorow to get the definitive answer . . .

Yes they are I saw one of the hotshots games from the ps2 for download.
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« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2007, 07:53:55 PM »

Just placed my order!!!!!!!  Early Merry Xmas to me . . .
I'm finally covered for every exclusive . . . PS3+X360+Wii+DS+PSP.
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« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2007, 11:00:53 PM »

Congratzs
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« Reply #27 on: November 10, 2007, 01:20:40 AM »

what about the Phantom?
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« Reply #28 on: November 10, 2007, 07:33:03 PM »

I'm torn as well. There are literally two or three PS2 games that I might play - God of War 2, FFXII and I might go through MGS3 again. I've love to be able to play them through the PS3 on my monitor, instead of having to go into the dank, dark, cold basement and play on my old TV. But $100 for the opportunity to possibly play three games I've had for nearly, what, six months, and have barely touched?
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« Reply #29 on: November 10, 2007, 11:01:37 PM »

I ended up getting a 60GB today.  I wanted the Blu-Ray capability more than the gaming capability,  though I'll gladly throw PS3 games into my Gamefly queue and did pick up Ratchet & Clank and Warhawk to give the system a little action today.

There are a bunch of PS2 games that I'm still interested in though, so I couldn't pull the trigger on a 40GB.
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« Reply #30 on: November 10, 2007, 11:05:35 PM »

looks like a PS3 will be my Christmas present to myself along with the PotC movies on Blu-Ray.  If I can get one with BC cool, otherwise I can live with that as the only PS2 game I want to give a second chance is Okami, and that's coming out for the Wii.
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« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2007, 11:10:11 PM »

Well I'm literally 3 hours away from picking up my PS3 smile
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2007, 05:39:04 AM »

If I can get a discount deal to bring it down to $300 after taxes I'll pick one up specifically for a Blu-Ray player and the occasional AAA title.  But my gaming is still 360 and PC.  I have a 10% Best Buy discount for this weekend but it's still not enough.
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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2007, 05:49:34 AM »

Jancelot: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=147688

That might be what you're looking for.  Although it's not with taxes, that's still a lot less.
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2007, 02:41:59 PM »

Quote from: Turtle on November 14, 2007, 05:49:34 AM

Jancelot: http://www.gamepro.com/news.cfm?article_id=147688

That might be what you're looking for.  Although it's not with taxes, that's still a lot less.
Or . . . if you don't mind/can get a credit card from sonystyle's website . . . you get a $100 credit on your first purchase of $299 or more . . . so you buy the $399 40 gig PS3 . . . get free shipping . . .after (my) tax = 415.99 - 100.00 credit= $315.99 . . .
Of course the 40 gigs are on backorder again now from that site . . . but they restocked about a week after it displayed that way before I ordered . . .
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« Reply #35 on: November 15, 2007, 03:31:16 PM »

Quote from: Jancelot on November 14, 2007, 05:39:04 AM

If I can get a discount deal to bring it down to $300 after taxes I'll pick one up specifically for a Blu-Ray player and the occasional AAA title.  But my gaming is still 360 and PC.  I have a 10% Best Buy discount for this weekend but it's still not enough.

This is exactly what I did and my justification for it.  Minus the $300 part.
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