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« Reply #40 on: October 30, 2009, 02:03:45 PM »

I decided to test the US version of the Playstation Network, and found that there's a trophy card there too that looks quite different from the European one. Perhaps this one is easier to understand?

<img src="[url]http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/TiLT42.png" width="230" height="155" border="0" />[/url]
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Edit: It also seems you can get a detailed breakdown of my trophies by clicking on the card. That's nifty.
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« Reply #41 on: October 30, 2009, 02:10:41 PM »

Wow.  I have had my PS3 since a few months after launch and I have 0 gold and 0 platinum trophies.  icon_eek

The only 2 games I even have silver in are Killzone 2 and Burnout Paradise. 
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« Reply #42 on: October 30, 2009, 02:12:19 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 30, 2009, 02:03:45 PM

I decided to test the US version of the Playstation Network, and found that there's a trophy card there too that looks quite different from the European one. Perhaps this one is easier to understand?

Edit: It also seems you can get a detailed breakdown of my trophies by clicking on the card. That's nifty.

How come for a bunch of games you have the platinum trophy but not 100% of the trophies? (Fallout 3, RE5, PoP)

EDIT: By the way, someone needs to create a combo achievements/trophy avatar for forums.
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« Reply #43 on: October 30, 2009, 02:13:45 PM »

Quote from: Teggy on October 30, 2009, 02:12:19 PM

How come for a bunch of games you have the platinum trophy but not 100% of the trophies? (Fallout 3, RE5, PoP)

DLC may add new trophies, and they don't count against the Platinum.
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« Reply #44 on: October 30, 2009, 02:16:01 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on October 30, 2009, 02:13:45 PM

Quote from: Teggy on October 30, 2009, 02:12:19 PM

How come for a bunch of games you have the platinum trophy but not 100% of the trophies? (Fallout 3, RE5, PoP)

DLC may add new trophies, and they don't count against the Platinum.

Ah, that makes sense.
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« Reply #45 on: October 30, 2009, 03:50:03 PM »

Man TiLT makes me look crappy frown 
I have a 360 though to split my gaming between!

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« Reply #46 on: October 30, 2009, 03:56:38 PM »

So I took a look at mine:

<img src="[url]http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/Chazalicious.png" width="230" height="155" border="0" />[/url]
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There's an example of trophy levels not necessarily working much better than a raw gamerscore.  I have one gold trophy.  Hooray! Oh, wait, that's for eating the letters that spell Noby Noby Boy in the tutorial for that game.  Obviously that's more impressive than my progress in Batman, where I have 58% of the trophies, right?
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« Reply #47 on: October 30, 2009, 04:00:52 PM »

I need to pimp my platinum slywink

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« Reply #48 on: October 30, 2009, 04:29:51 PM »

The problem with achievements is that (for me at least) if you play a game to get achievements and nothing else you end up forcing yourself to do things that you otherwise wouldn't do while playing a game. Sometimes that can be a blessing, but most of the time it can force you to do things that you wouldn't otherwise normally do.

Some of my favorite examples of achievements that you can 'miss'.

Guitar Hero 3, World Tour, metallica, smash hits, and Aerosmith: Complete the Tutorial. (They've gotten better at this in 5 and Van Halen, in that you only have to do one level. Still - being forced to complete the tutorial as an achievement for a game you already know how to play... not so cool.)

Anything 'impossible' can be missed too. I know it has been a long time and companies have figured out achievements, but in Quake 4 they have an achievement for "Achieved the number one rank on the All Gametypes leaderboard."... seriously?

Rock Band even had an achievement for playing a solo using the inner buttons without strumming. I personally feel anything like that which forces you to change how you play a game shouldn't really be an achievement.

And if you're really an achievement whore, have you ever played a sports game (for example MLB 2k9) and played a single game with the intention of getting as many achievements as possible by making slider adjustments? It's not really 'achieving' anything when you fundamentally change the gameplay to get an achievement. Sure, you won 37-0, with a perfect game and 20ks so you got a bunch of achievements for that... but did you really have fun doing it?

I play games. I love the concept of achievements. But I am not a completionist if it means changing the way I play the game.
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« Reply #49 on: October 30, 2009, 08:49:59 PM »

I will review achievements and see if there are any that require a special effort that I deem reasonable and attempt to achieve them.  Some (like the Batman Gold on challenges) are past the level of effort and frustration that I am willing to put in.  I game almost exclusively on my 360, and even moreso since the 360 is more socially adept than the PS3, I don't really care about the trophies.
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« Reply #50 on: October 30, 2009, 09:29:42 PM »



Behold my mighty 56 bronze and 6 silvers.  Cower at my imposing gamer level of 3!!
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« Reply #51 on: October 30, 2009, 10:31:57 PM »

Not all that far ahead of you, Laner, and this with a launch unit under my belt. retard  icon_lol



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« Reply #52 on: October 30, 2009, 11:06:10 PM »

Aw yeah, 3 gold trophies

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Achievements and Trophies are pretty much the same to me. I like the 360 interface for achievements and the general look and feel of them better, but I really like the platinum trophy concept and it's kept me in games longer (despite not having one... details details).
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« Reply #53 on: October 31, 2009, 02:27:14 AM »

Ok, now I have to ask. The only trophy information I can see is what Laner and I posted, and that only because I copied his image link and then sub'd in my username. Everyone else is using the HTML from the PSN site which shows here as a link named 'Get your Portable ID!' and links to: http://www.us.playstation.com/PSN/SignUp

Meaning any others that I click on show me my information.  icon_confused
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« Reply #54 on: October 31, 2009, 02:45:17 AM »

GET IN!!!

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« Reply #55 on: October 31, 2009, 06:53:40 AM »

<img src="[url]http://fp.profiles.us.playstation.com/playstation/psn/pid/Vertrucio.png" width="230" height="155" border="0" />[/url]
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Of course, I'm of the mind that Playing the Game How I Want > Achievements/Trophies.  However, if the trophy is interesting I'll do it just to try something new.  If it also gives a tangible reward like in Uncharted 2 or Mass Effect, even better.
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« Reply #56 on: October 31, 2009, 06:57:40 AM »

Ok metallicorphan, I gotta say that's pretty bad.  =P

Hopefully you only just got a PS3 couple weeks ago or something, haha.
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« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2009, 10:55:40 AM »

I will pretty much never go out of my way to get an achievement.  I spent a few minutes getting two that required a bit of a different approach in Borderlands, but all the achievements in that game are reachable just with a full playthrough of the game and the second playthrough with expanded levels.  You have a couple things 'funny' like killing a critter mario style, but overall if you play the game and do it 'right' you'll get them all.  I really wish more games were like this because I think then it would be more representative of an actual 'gamer score' than the gamer score is.

As it is now the gamer score and trophy count really just show how OCD and bored someone is.
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« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2009, 11:03:12 AM »

Quote from: Harkonis on October 31, 2009, 10:55:40 AM

As it is now the gamer score and trophy count really just show how OCD and bored someone is.

Not at all. Trophies give me additional challenges in a game beyond simply playing it. I find myself using weapons I otherwise wouldn't have given a chance, I kill enemies in ways I might not have killed them, I discover strategies that might otherwise have been left untouched. Trophies extend the lifetime of a game by giving me things to work towards, at least as long as the trophies are well designed. I find it very satisfying to work on a Platinum trophy.
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« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2009, 11:15:51 AM »

Quote from: KePoW on October 31, 2009, 06:57:40 AM

Ok metallicorphan, I gotta say that's pretty bad.  =P

Hopefully you only just got a PS3 couple weeks ago or something, haha.



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i am not putting the PS3 down,but even after i got the machine i was still on the 360 more...multiplat games i get on the 360 and the exclusives that come to the PS3,aren't on the top of my must buy list when usually another multiplat game is out at the same time...even the 360 has gone down for exclusives now,but that still favours for me with the Multiplat games

also,to add, the games i have played on the PS3 i played before Trophies were out(MGS4,Resistance,Motorstorm etc)

i play PS1 and PS2 games on it more,because i can't be bothered buying a new Memory Card for the PS2


Quote from: Harkonis on October 31, 2009, 10:55:40 AM


As it is now the gamer score and trophy count really just show how OCD and bored someone is.


i agree with gamerscore and Trophy count,but not the actual trophies and achievements,i think they are the best thing to come to games for a long time..i dunno,since...rumble feature.They extend the life of the games for those who want to go after them...but i would still love them if they didn't come with points


i personally believe i am addicted to the sound of when an achievement comes up..i get all happy inside like when i met my first love
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« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2009, 04:10:48 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on October 31, 2009, 11:15:51 AM

i agree with gamerscore and Trophy count,but not the actual trophies and achievements,i think they are the best thing to come to games for a long time..i dunno,since...rumble feature.They extend the life of the games for those who want to go after them...but i would still love them if they didn't come with points

I totally agree with you and Tilt on this... I think Achievements/Trophies are one of the best things in gaming recently.

I don't understand people who are anti-achievements.  If you don't want to do them or think certain ones are too frustrating, then just don't do it.  Not hard.
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« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2009, 08:37:52 PM »

I don't do them, but I've often seen some friends who are pretty obsessed with getting the achievements to the point of obvious frustration in their voices.  Playing a game for hours after they are obviously past the 'fun' point and trying desperately to get those last few points.  The concept of trophies and achievements is amazing and sometimes works very well.  More often than not though they are horribly designed and either pointless to get (see Avatar) or ridiculously unfun (too many to mention).

I love the ones that are slightly different and give you something interesting to do, like jumping on a critters head.  That one was simple, fun and didn't require great changes in the way I play.  One of my least favorite is games that have different achievements for different difficulty levels, and even worse when playing on Hard doesn't unlock the Normal achievements.

I'm not really anti-achievement, though I don't try to get them as a general rule.  I do get tired of friends who won't play a game with me because they are grinding out an achievement though, I be selfish like that slywink
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« Reply #62 on: October 31, 2009, 08:47:42 PM »

From what you wrote, it sounds like your friends are are the problem and not achievements.

In retrospect, that sounds much harsher than it was meant (sorry!)


Quote from: Harkonis on October 31, 2009, 08:37:52 PM

I don't do them, but I've often seen some friends who are pretty obsessed with getting the achievements to the point of obvious frustration in their voices.  Playing a game for hours after they are obviously past the 'fun' point and trying desperately to get those last few points.  The concept of trophies and achievements is amazing and sometimes works very well.  More often than not though they are horribly designed and either pointless to get (see Avatar) or ridiculously unfun (too many to mention).

I love the ones that are slightly different and give you something interesting to do, like jumping on a critters head.  That one was simple, fun and didn't require great changes in the way I play.  One of my least favorite is games that have different achievements for different difficulty levels, and even worse when playing on Hard doesn't unlock the Normal achievements.

I'm not really anti-achievement, though I don't try to get them as a general rule.  I do get tired of friends who won't play a game with me because they are grinding out an achievement though, I be selfish like that slywink
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« Reply #63 on: October 31, 2009, 09:46:19 PM »

Here's mine, although I've only had the PS3 for a month and only have two games that even have trophies (Uncharted and Burnout Paradise).

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« Reply #64 on: October 31, 2009, 10:25:24 PM »

Quote from: Harkonis on October 31, 2009, 08:37:52 PM

I don't do them, but I've often seen some friends who are pretty obsessed with getting the achievements to the point of obvious frustration in their voices.  Playing a game for hours after they are obviously past the 'fun' point and trying desperately to get those last few points.  The concept of trophies and achievements is amazing and sometimes works very well.  More often than not though they are horribly designed and either pointless to get (see Avatar) or ridiculously unfun (too many to mention).

I love the ones that are slightly different and give you something interesting to do, like jumping on a critters head.  That one was simple, fun and didn't require great changes in the way I play.  One of my least favorite is games that have different achievements for different difficulty levels, and even worse when playing on Hard doesn't unlock the Normal achievements.

I'm not really anti-achievement, though I don't try to get them as a general rule.  I do get tired of friends who won't play a game with me because they are grinding out an achievement though, I be selfish like that slywink

It's like onnel said, it's the people themselves who are the problem.

You are totally right about how a lot of achievements are just flat out stupid and completely ridiculous.  I don't do those, and it doesn't bother me.
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« Reply #65 on: October 31, 2009, 10:51:40 PM »

Mine's pretty bad for someone who has had a PS3 since launch.  It's mostly because I'm finally starting to get over the bitterness of what a big fuck up the PS3 was at launch.  Of late I'm playing a bit more and it's not as easy a decision to make for non exclusives (mostly because I have some RL friends who own PS3s).

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« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2009, 07:35:07 PM »

Well the majority of you guys have me beat, but I've only had my PS3 for about a month. Here's my Trophy Card:

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I'm working on getting a Platinum for LittleBigPlanet. It was the first game I got with my PS3 and I love it. I need 3 more Trophies. One of them is Party Person, which is play online with 3 people off your friends list, anyone up for that?
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« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2009, 07:47:59 PM »

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Not at all. Trophies give me additional challenges in a game beyond simply playing it. I find myself using weapons I otherwise wouldn't have given a chance, I kill enemies in ways I might not have killed them, I discover strategies that might otherwise have been left untouched. Trophies extend the lifetime of a game by giving me things to work towards, at least as long as the trophies are well designed. I find it very satisfying to work on a Platinum trophy.

Agreed. Just subsitute achievement in the above.
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« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2009, 08:05:25 PM »

Quote from: Canuck on October 29, 2009, 11:43:08 PM

Anybody who cares about achievements or trophies are just huge nerds.  All I care about is the good feeling I get whenever I hear that sound and the little notice pops up in the top righthand corner.  Other than that I don't care.  I've never looked any any of your gamer cards and I never will.

+1 That's about my attitude to them as well.The only other players achievements I've ever looked at were my son and nephews, and that was only because I was playing co-op and wanted to confirm how badly they were PWN'ing me.  icon_redface  I think anyone who thinks they gauge a players abilities -some posters have more or less stated they do- are fooling themselves.  I play as many BC Xbox games as 360 games, and I don't get a single point for any of them. I also replay games, and you don't get points for the same achievements the 2nd time through.

That said, I do think Purge's point in previous threads about this topic, that achievements can get you to think about doing things you would never have otherwise considered, is valid.
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« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2009, 08:25:49 PM »

The best achievements are ones you get for just progressing through the game. Forza 3 and Batman are two recent games that have some of the best achievements I've seen. Basically you get rewarded for playing the game.

Sports games are pretty bad. NHL 10 has some horrible achievement, such as "Dump the puck into the offensive zone 10 times in one game." I don't know anyone who would play that style intentionally without looking at the achievement list first. An example of a good one for that game is "Play an entire game without taking a penalty." In hockey you want to minimize the amount of penalties you take, so it makes sense for you to be rewarded when you get that number to zero. Of course, if you're turning the penalty slider to 0 then you're a cheat who should be ashamed of himself.  icon_wink
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« Reply #70 on: November 04, 2009, 08:27:24 PM »

Quote from: JayDee on November 04, 2009, 08:25:49 PM

The best achievements are ones you get for just progressing through the game. Forza 3 and Batman are two recent games that have some of the best achievements I've seen. Basically you get rewarded for playing the game.

Sports games are pretty bad. NHL 10 has some horrible achievement, such as "Dump the puck into the offensive zone 10 times in one game." I don't know anyone who would play that style intentionally without looking at the achievement list first. An example of a good one for that game is "Play an entire game without taking a penalty." In hockey you want to minimize the amount of penalties you take, so it makes sense for you to be rewarded when you get that number to zero. Of course, if you're turning the penalty slider to 0 then you're a cheat who should be ashamed of himself.  icon_wink

Even as an achievement-whore, this I agree with 100%.
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« Reply #71 on: November 04, 2009, 08:29:26 PM »

Quote from: KePoW on October 31, 2009, 10:25:24 PM

Quote from: Harkonis on October 31, 2009, 08:37:52 PM

I don't do them, but I've often seen some friends who are pretty obsessed with getting the achievements to the point of obvious frustration in their voices.  Playing a game for hours after they are obviously past the 'fun' point and trying desperately to get those last few points.  The concept of trophies and achievements is amazing and sometimes works very well.  More often than not though they are horribly designed and either pointless to get (see Avatar) or ridiculously unfun (too many to mention).

I love the ones that are slightly different and give you something interesting to do, like jumping on a critters head.  That one was simple, fun and didn't require great changes in the way I play.  One of my least favorite is games that have different achievements for different difficulty levels, and even worse when playing on Hard doesn't unlock the Normal achievements.

I'm not really anti-achievement, though I don't try to get them as a general rule.  I do get tired of friends who won't play a game with me because they are grinding out an achievement though, I be selfish like that slywink

It's like onnel said, it's the people themselves who are the problem.

You are totally right about how a lot of achievements are just flat out stupid and completely ridiculous.  I don't do those, and it doesn't bother me.


Same here.  I just played through Marvel Ultimate Alliance 2 with a friend, and along the way, we tried to pick up as many different Achievements as we could without interrupting the flow of the game.  It was an extra incentive for us to replay the alternate storyline on the highest difficulty.

But some of them we simply ignored.  One Achievement is to perform a fusion with every possible combination of heroes -- over 500 different pairings.  Possible?  Yes.  Enjoyable?  No, so we just didn't bother.

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