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Question: It's now 30 days until the next generation begins.   I've noticed a lot of shifting of opinions in the last 30 days back and forth.   Which console are you buying in November?
PS4 - 42 (32.3%)
Xbone - 15 (11.5%)
Both - 13 (10%)
Neither - 19 (14.6%)
Waiting until later - 41 (31.5%)
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« Reply #960 on: November 05, 2013, 08:52:10 PM »

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Please read the past 4 or 5 posts for an inkling of why Xbone purchasers perceive other posters here of taking any possible positive Xbone news and shitting on it.

Exhibit A

Is it possible we could continue the discussion without you having to think every single sentence that somehow does not comply with your thinking ties into some vast PS4 conspiracy? Its getting really tiresome.

Let it go! He dropped the subject.

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Every console launch has had one console more powerful than the other one. Name me one console launch in which every competing console was identical.

Uh, I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Are we not supposed to discuss differences between the consoles because previous generations have had differences between consoles? That makes no sense to me.

Yeah - I somehow skipped a page - my apologies about that.

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« Reply #961 on: November 05, 2013, 08:52:43 PM »

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Definitely don't get the thread locked.   I've been passing my days until PS4 by updating the thread title with the countdown.    If this thing got locked, how in the heck would I get by over the next 10 days?
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« Reply #962 on: November 05, 2013, 08:53:55 PM »

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It isn't discussion. It's a one-sided tearing down of one console over another, and you know it.

This goes back to a point raised multiple times throughout this thread: Why is it our fault that the Xbox One is riddled with bad news? Are we just supposed to pretend that this isn't the case? Are we supposed to make up bad news about the PS4 to compensate? Tell me, what are we allowed to discuss?

We don't shape the world. We just talk about it.

Covered this a while ago. $100 difference for a platform that has tangible products representing the value exists. This isn't $100 worth of avatar clothes that are being provided - there is more in the box - and that kind of thing could easily be rationalized by consumers (especially if it works as advertised).

With ESRAM being faster but limited and harder to program for, the cross-gen, cross-platform titles are not realizing those possible advantages - that's not a point of argument - it exists and I think we've all agreed that the games coming out right now are *NOT* representative of what the hardware can do - simply what they can get it to do at this time. PS4 comes out ahead on that from a screen res / horsepower perspective.

The summary dismissal of the intangible value of convenience grates on nerves. I think the "regulars" opinions of some of those values is well known - so I promise not to bring mine up - and I ask you to politely reciprocate (especially CeeKay. Dude is a stirthepot).

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« Reply #963 on: November 05, 2013, 08:54:25 PM »

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This goes back to a point raised multiple times throughout this thread: Why is it our fault that the Xbox One is riddled with bad news? Are we just supposed to pretend that this isn't the case? Are we supposed to make up bad news about the PS4 to compensate? Tell me, what are we allowed to discuss?

It's not discussion of "bad" news from a neutral stance. It's the act of bringing up bad Xbox news from a biased standpoint repeatedly, then dismissing or discounting any positive news for it. There are NUMEROUS examples of you doing that in this thread, and if you'd like I'll gladly go back through all 24 pages and post them.

There have been others in this thread that have discussed bad Xbox news without the obvious bias and delight. We're gamers - why can't we respect each others' decisions? Why do (some of us) have to shit all over the console we're not buying?
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« Reply #964 on: November 05, 2013, 08:55:48 PM »

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especially CeeKay. Dude is a stirthepot

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« Reply #965 on: November 05, 2013, 08:58:54 PM »

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Apparently TiLT doesn't think a 1500 license is of any real value. ninja

On a personal level, that's definitely a lot of money. When running a business though, that's pocket change. It barely registers on most companies' budgets. It's something I learned when I ran my own company for a few years. Your perception of money as a company is completely different from your private perception. I was dirt poor at the time, but even then I would have said the same thing about $1500 for commercial stuff.

I work in IT for a major Canadian financial firm - the cost of a monitoring agent (just the agent alone, mind you) costs 35,000. You don't want to know how many agents we have running, or what the cost of the application it's monitoring costs saywhat.

But if I, as an "indie developer", who is going to create a game after-hours for the next 10-18 months, I'd rather not have to pay that money to even begin the game development process. For indie companies, maybe it doesn't fit, but they're providing a big leg up.
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« Reply #966 on: November 05, 2013, 08:59:42 PM »

Goddamn you guys make getting excited about video games hard.   icon_mad
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« Reply #967 on: November 05, 2013, 09:00:00 PM »

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This goes back to a point raised multiple times throughout this thread: Why is it our fault that the Xbox One is riddled with bad news? Are we just supposed to pretend that this isn't the case? Are we supposed to make up bad news about the PS4 to compensate? Tell me, what are we allowed to discuss?

It's not discussion of "bad" news from a neutral stance. It's the act of bringing up bad Xbox news from a biased standpoint repeatedly, then dismissing or discounting any positive news for it. There are NUMEROUS examples of you doing that in this thread, and if you'd like I'll gladly go back through all 24 pages and post them.

What point would that serve? If you feel your favorite console is under attack, then defend it! Not by attacking the other person's character, but by attacking his argument! This is where you miss the mark. Even now you are attacking me instead of attacking the things I've supposedly said. This isn't politics. This is a console launch. There's no need to go for dirty tactics. We're all supposed to be friends here. Personal attacks do not belong in this thread.

You want to discuss things fairly, then do so. Don't just sit there and complain when the momentum glides away from you.
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« Reply #968 on: November 05, 2013, 09:00:09 PM »

Apparently $100 is a $100, but $1500 is not $1500.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #969 on: November 05, 2013, 09:00:14 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on November 05, 2013, 08:41:17 PM

It isn't discussion. It's a one-sided tearing down of one console over another, and you know it.

Is it possible in your mind for someone to share news about the Xbone being less powerful without any malicious intent?  I mean, we're pretty much out of the rumor and speculation zone now, aren't we?  The Xbone is less powerful than the PS4, at least for the near-term future.  

Why is it blasphemous to talk about that?  I still want to buy an Xbone even though I'm pretty sure it's going to be less powerful.  Hell, I'm wanting to buy a Wii U more and more these days, and that's barely more powerful than the 360/PS3 era.  

And in the next few months, we're going to start seeing sales numbers.  If it turns out that the PS4 outsold the Xbone 2:1 comparing first 30 days of each, will it be a one sided tearing down of the Xbone for someone to share an article reporting the sales?  

The SNES outsold the Genesis 5:3, but so what?  I still liked the Genesis better.  The PS2 was weaker than the Xbox, but so what?  If I had to replay history and only choose one or the other, I would choose the PS2.
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« Reply #970 on: November 05, 2013, 09:01:59 PM »

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I have. Repeatedly. To the point I want to beat my head against the wall. All it results in is a pile-on. This is just like R&P.
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« Reply #971 on: November 05, 2013, 09:02:52 PM »

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Goddamn you guys make getting excited about video games hard.   icon_mad

I meant to punctuate with more smilies.

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« Reply #972 on: November 05, 2013, 09:03:02 PM »

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 05, 2013, 08:59:42 PM

Goddamn you guys make getting excited about video games hard.   icon_mad

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« Reply #973 on: November 05, 2013, 09:03:18 PM »

Quote from: Purge on November 05, 2013, 09:02:52 PM

Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 05, 2013, 08:59:42 PM

Goddamn you guys make getting excited about video games hard.   icon_mad

I meant to punctuate with more smilies.

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« Reply #974 on: November 05, 2013, 09:03:27 PM »

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Yes, in fact in my previous post I mentioned there were people who had managed to post bad Xbox news without bias and delight. I'm done though. Back to our previous discussion.

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« Reply #975 on: November 05, 2013, 09:03:38 PM »

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I have. Repeatedly. To the point I want to beat my head against the wall. All it results in is a pile-on. This is just like R&P.

... Your response to my previous post is to do exactly what I asked you not to do? Okay then.
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« Reply #976 on: November 05, 2013, 09:06:32 PM »

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« Reply #977 on: November 05, 2013, 09:07:17 PM »

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If you feel your favorite console is under attack, then defend it! Not by attacking the other person's character, but by attacking his argument!

I have. Repeatedly. To the point I want to beat my head against the wall. All it results in is a pile-on. This is just like R&P.

... Your response to my previous post is to do exactly what I asked you not to do? Okay then.

I didn't read it as an attack - it's defensiveness.

I think this topic is hot - and we should all leave it for an hour or two.

Consider this:

If I didn't respect each and every one of you, I wouldn't give two shits about what you had to say - I wouldn't bother replying. I'd be gellar 0.5. I wish I could be as cold as him. biggrin So while your opinion on this subject may-or-may-not sway me, I still respect what you have to say, and before I send something, I like to re-read it thinking about the loudest objectors.

For CeeKay, I imagine him reading it out loud, sounding it slowly, and his voice is vaguely miss-piggy-ish.

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« Reply #978 on: November 05, 2013, 09:07:42 PM »

I imagine Purge using lots of 'ehs' and sounding like the drunkard he is.
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« Reply #979 on: November 05, 2013, 09:08:28 PM »

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« Reply #980 on: November 05, 2013, 09:08:43 PM »

DEAL WITH IT!
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« Reply #981 on: November 05, 2013, 09:13:11 PM »

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« Reply #982 on: November 05, 2013, 09:13:37 PM »

Quote from: Razgon on November 05, 2013, 09:13:11 PM

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« Reply #983 on: November 05, 2013, 09:15:27 PM »

Quote from: CeeKay on November 05, 2013, 09:13:37 PM

Quote from: Razgon on November 05, 2013, 09:13:11 PM

*pokes*

Wonder!  Raz won't stay on his side of the car!

CeeKay is the one with the pigtails.
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« Reply #984 on: November 05, 2013, 09:15:55 PM »

leave my stellar hair care out of this!
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« Reply #985 on: November 05, 2013, 09:16:26 PM »

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Quote from: Razgon on November 05, 2013, 09:13:11 PM

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Wonder!  Raz won't stay on his side of the car!

Scalping launch day consoles doesn't just hurt people who forgot to preorder, it hurts children.  And possibly also puppies.
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« Reply #986 on: November 05, 2013, 09:16:53 PM »

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Wonder!  Raz won't stay on his side of the car!

Scalping launch day consoles doesn't just hurt people who forgot to preorder, it hurts children.  And possibly also puppies.

what about kittens?
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« Reply #988 on: November 05, 2013, 09:26:07 PM »

Quote from: YellowKing on November 05, 2013, 08:41:17 PM

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That's a pretty ridiculous statement. $100 is still $100.

We hear the argument constantly that "the weaker console is $100 more....OH NOs!" That doesn't take into consideration the fact that many people feel that the value of other features of the Xbox One are worth the $100 premium, even with slightly weaker technical specs. People buy iPads all the time and spend HUNDREDS of dollars more than a competing tablet with more features. Value is subjective. That is my point.

You are not taking into consideration that many people don't feel that the Xbox one is worth the $100 premium even if it had identical technical specs. People buy 16GB iPads all the time because they don't feel that a 32GB iPad is worth the $100 premium.
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« Reply #989 on: November 05, 2013, 09:28:12 PM »

I heard that MS was going to introduce a piece of code into Windows that sends malware to any PS4 detected on a network.  source.
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« Reply #991 on: November 05, 2013, 09:29:48 PM »

add the word sports in there twice and he could have written the XB1 reveal speech biggrin
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« Reply #992 on: November 05, 2013, 09:57:08 PM »

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Apparently $100 is a $100, but $1500 is not $1500.  icon_biggrin

Technically you said that from a consumer point of view $100 shouldn't be a deal breaker if you are buying a new console to counter argue that the price difference between the systems is negligible.  Tilt said that $1,500 is negligible price break to a developer's operating expense in regards to MS trying to win back the indie's.  Both of those are totally dependent on the person making the purchasing decision and not definable across the board.  In other words they both suck at trying to prove any point.  Was that neutral enough for everyone?  Tongue
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« Reply #993 on: November 05, 2013, 09:59:25 PM »

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Goddamn you guys make me hard getting excited about video games.   icon_mad

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« Reply #994 on: November 05, 2013, 10:00:57 PM »

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Quote from: EngineNo9 on November 05, 2013, 08:59:42 PM

Goddamn you guys make me hard getting excited about video games.   icon_mad

Am I the only one who read it like that? icon_eek

careful, you're going to make Rittchard excitedly hard about EngineNo9 getting hard over exciting games.
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« Reply #995 on: November 05, 2013, 10:18:01 PM »

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« Reply #996 on: November 05, 2013, 10:58:47 PM »

 I can see where a business might think $1500 is a small expense but isn't that the cost of the license?  Should the Unity License price be bumped to $10,000 and then given away free?  That would make a better story line I guess.

  I also didn't see where developing a game using Unity would lock the developer into a Microsoft only release for the title, is that the case?  If so then I would agree that it isn't the best news but if the developer can also design the same game for the PS4 concurrently then why demean this news? 
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« Reply #997 on: November 06, 2013, 12:35:51 AM »



Sony to charge for PS4 multiplayer

Not sure why IGN is running this story.    I thought we already knew this?
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« Reply #998 on: November 06, 2013, 12:41:10 AM »

Ok i have a question. What sort of STUPID business person or entrepreneur would willingly give up half of their revenue which could end up being in the thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to save $1500? I am not a rich person but even as an individual I could easily throw that kind of money together in order to double my profit. Surely any small business or startup could do the same.
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« Reply #999 on: November 06, 2013, 12:46:27 AM »

Quote from: Canuck on November 06, 2013, 12:41:10 AM

Ok i have a question. What sort of STUPID business person or entrepreneur would willingly give up half of their revenue which could end up being in the thousands or hundreds of thousands of dollars in order to save $1500? I am not a rich person but even as an individual I could easily throw that kind of money together in order to double my profit. Surely any small business or startup could do the same.

Where are you getting any of this information?  Who is throwing away half of anything?
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