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« on: April 11, 2007, 09:17:21 PM »

Via the chaps at Joystiq[url]

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Dave Karraker of Sony America states, "At launch, we offered two separate models of PlayStation 3 to meet the diverse needs and interests of our PlayStation fan base. Initial retail demand in North America was upwards of ninety percent in favor of the 60GB SKU, so we manufactured and shipped-in accordingly. Due to the overwhelming demand for the 60GB model from both retailers and consumers, we have ceased offering the 20GB model here in North America. In addition to the larger internal hard drive, the 60GB PlayStation 3 features added storage media slots and built-in Wi-Fi not found in the 20GB system. Based on retailer and consumer feedback, we have decided to focus our current efforts on the more popular 60GB model."

Just as some of us have predicted/thought for several months. And for the record, I checked today. They were recently losing about 68$ more per 20GB than the 60, so that is likely a major factor as well.
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« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 09:20:15 PM »

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Based on retailer and consumer feedback, we have decided to focus our current efforts on the more popular 60GB model.

I wonder if Mr. Karraker was able to maintain a straight face when he said that.
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 09:25:33 PM »

That really stinks.  I won't buy a PS3 until it's down to $400, so I guess it's going to be a long wait  mad
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 09:38:08 PM »

Wifi capability and the EXTRA SEXY chrome finishing was well worth the extra $100 I plunked down.

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Ok it sucked how I had to get the 60gig version, but ultimately I think it was fine considering the wifi capabilities & such.
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM »

I thought it sucked I had to get a 60gig version of the PS3...

Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.
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« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM »

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?
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« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 09:54:25 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Of course, you can't put any movies on the 360 hard drive... unless you buy it off of Marketplace.
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« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 09:57:14 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 09:20:15 PM

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Based on retailer and consumer feedback, we have decided to focus our current efforts on the more popular 60GB model.
I wonder if Mr. Karraker was able to maintain a straight face when he said that.

No kidding. People want the cheaper model (simply due to how expensive the other version is), and now Sony won't make it.

Guess all my rumor and speculation posts were true in the end. biggrin
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« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 10:33:02 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 09:54:25 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Of course, you can't put any movies on the 360 hard drive... unless you buy it off of Marketplace.

Well unless you are ripping the dvds from elsewhere, you really can't get any video at all on the PS3 if you want to be technical about it.
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« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 10:42:22 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 10:33:02 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 09:54:25 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Of course, you can't put any movies on the 360 hard drive... unless you buy it off of Marketplace.

Well unless you are ripping the dvds from elsewhere, you really can't get any video at all on the PS3 if you want to be technical about it.

You can copy all sorts of video formats to the PS3 hard drive. Doesn't have to be ripped from DVD either.
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« Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 10:47:14 PM »

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 10:42:22 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 10:33:02 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 09:54:25 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Of course, you can't put any movies on the 360 hard drive... unless you buy it off of Marketplace.

Well unless you are ripping the dvds from elsewhere, you really can't get any video at all on the PS3 if you want to be technical about it.

Huh? You can copy all sorts of video formats to the PS3 hard drive. Doesn't have to be ripped from DVD either.

Can you legally transfer the shows? I am talking about authorized things you can download and store to a HDD. Either way this is an irrelevant derail, this is about the phasing out of this console, not the legality of video transfer.
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« Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 10:55:40 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 10:47:14 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 10:42:22 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 10:33:02 PM

Quote from: Andrew Mallon on April 11, 2007, 09:54:25 PM

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Of course, you can't put any movies on the 360 hard drive... unless you buy it off of Marketplace.

Well unless you are ripping the dvds from elsewhere, you really can't get any video at all on the PS3 if you want to be technical about it.

Huh? You can copy all sorts of video formats to the PS3 hard drive. Doesn't have to be ripped from DVD either.

Can you legally transfer the shows? I am talking about authorized things you can download and store to a HDD. Either way this is an irrelevant derail, this is about the phasing out of this console, not the legality of video transfer.

I'm not sure what you mean. It will playback a number of different video formats from files stored on the hard drive. You can get data to the hard drive either by copying it to the hard drive from flash memory, connecting an external hard drive, copying it from a data disc inserted into the drive, or from downloading it directly from the internet.

If you acquire the video file legally, it will play it. If you acquire the video file illegally, it will play it as well, if its not copy-protected.
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« Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 11:17:43 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 11, 2007, 09:48:18 PM

Quote from: TheMissingLink on April 11, 2007, 09:46:11 PM


Until I put about 10 downloaded movies on there and realized the 360 would never have enough memory for that.  And now I'm glad I got it so I don't have to constantly be deleting stuff to add new stuff.

Unless you buy the Elite version (soon to be the premium stock version) that will have a 120GB hard drive, right?

Yeah, but I already own a 360.  This isn't my second PS3, this is my first.

And I can't put just anything on there - I'd have to get Windows Media Center (or whatever it is) and than play it off my computer.
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« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2007, 01:07:30 AM »

Not to mention that you can have a 120 to even 500GB hard drive in your PS3, provided you go out and buy an off the shelf model.

Heh, at least that's one area of feature customizing.
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« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM »

I thought it was stupid to have 2 Xbox 360 versions, and I thought it was stupid to have 2 PS3 versions.

I wish they'd all just go back to having one console release and that's it.     Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

I'm glad this happened.
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« Reply #15 on: April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.
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« Reply #16 on: April 12, 2007, 02:12:43 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.

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« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2007, 02:15:19 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 02:12:43 PM

Quote from: Misguided on April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.

 Roll Eyes

Well, it's true.  Now my PS3 purchase is going to have to wait for an additional price drop or two, unless the blu-ray format has a definitive win and the PS3 is still the cheapest blu-ray player when I want one.

I agree it's smarter to have just one version of a console, but they got rid of the wrong one.

edit: Plus, how exactly would the two PS3 versions limit game development?  A game that needs 21G on the hard drive?  A game that makes use of the card reader?  Somehow tie the chrome plating into the gameplay?
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« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2007, 02:19:32 PM »

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 02:12:43 PM

Quote from: Misguided on April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.

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stuff your rolly eyes back in your pants pocket ms.  He has a point-  if no one buys a console then no one's going to want to develop games for it.  It's all about making money.
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« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 03:40:14 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.

This is absolutely true.  They won't allocate resources for any new development on a platform that doesn't have a substantial installed base.  This is just business, basic business.  But what they WILL do is release straight ports without any major development time, and consequently, without any improvements or optimizations.  Which is why you'll start seeing PS3 ports not living up to the Xbox360 standards, they won't devote the time and money to code PS3 optimizations and improvements in.

PS3 will be languishing badly in another year if they can't get another 500K units in the hands of gamers.  Development will practically halt.
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« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 03:41:26 PM »

Quote from: wonderpug on April 12, 2007, 02:15:19 PM

I agree it's smarter to have just one version of a console, but they got rid of the wrong one.

I agree. 
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« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 03:47:32 PM »

Quote from: Misguided on April 12, 2007, 02:01:25 PM

Quote from: msduncan on April 12, 2007, 01:43:00 PM

Varying levels of console just serves to limit game development.

Not selling consoles serves to limit game development.

I don't agree.  Developers will continue to develop games - for the 360.  Multiplatform titles will be unaffected - for the 360.  And first-party titles will continue to be developed until the platform fails totally, if only as a way to try to sell the PS3.
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« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 07:06:16 PM »

Didn't they intentionally ship more of the 60gb version to retailers pre and post launch?  If that's true, then of course it would make sense that based on raw sales data the 60gb outsold the 20gb.  A more telling analysis might be to look at how long eack sku remained on retailer shelves.  If the 20gb moved much quicker at retail than the 60gb, that might be a better indicator of consumer demand than total units sold.  But I'm not a six figure executive or product analyst, so wth do I know.  Their sales data seems to just support the skew in sku's shipped ninja2

I had my sights set on the 20gb version...bastards!
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« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 07:44:31 PM »

Quote from: Roguetad on April 12, 2007, 07:06:16 PM

Didn't they intentionally ship more of the 60gb version to retailers pre and post launch?  If that's true, then of course it would make sense that based on raw sales data the 60gb outsold the 20gb.  A more telling analysis might be to look at how long eack sku remained on retailer shelves.  If the 20gb moved much quicker at retail than the 60gb, that might be a better indicator of consumer demand than total units sold.  But I'm not a six figure executive or product analyst, so wth do I know.  Their sales data seems to just support the skew in sku's shipped ninja2

I had my sights set on the 20gb version...bastards!

Whether it was by demand as they claim or not (and all indications point to "not") they absolutely shipped more 60gbs to market than 20. The official company line is roughly 80/20, but I saw about 3 total since release. My guess is that it was even more rare, like 90/10 or something.
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« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2007, 08:02:12 PM »

Quote from: Calvin on April 12, 2007, 07:44:31 PM

Quote from: Roguetad on April 12, 2007, 07:06:16 PM

Didn't they intentionally ship more of the 60gb version to retailers pre and post launch?  If that's true, then of course it would make sense that based on raw sales data the 60gb outsold the 20gb.  A more telling analysis might be to look at how long eack sku remained on retailer shelves.  If the 20gb moved much quicker at retail than the 60gb, that might be a better indicator of consumer demand than total units sold.  But I'm not a six figure executive or product analyst, so wth do I know.  Their sales data seems to just support the skew in sku's shipped ninja2

I had my sights set on the 20gb version...bastards!
Whether it was by demand as they claim or not (and all indications point to "not") they absolutely shipped more 60gbs to market than 20. The official company line is roughly 80/20, but I saw about 3 total since release. My guess is that it was even more rare, like 90/10 or something.

Well, Sony's line is that "the market preferred the 60GB at a 10:1 ratio."  If we take that as a sales ratio during the time both versions were being sold, and we already know that every single 20GB sold out while you could find stacks of 60GB in stores...so if we take their stupid 10:1 purchase claim as truth, it means that at best there was one 20GB produced for every ten 60GB, and actually far fewer.
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« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2007, 09:12:41 PM »

I still believe the upcoming titles like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and Ratchet and Clank will put PS3 sales through the roof. The problem isn't $600 as a price point- the problem is not being able to justify that price point with a few blockbusters in the library.
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« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2007, 10:36:26 PM »

The most I ever saw was 2 20g models sitting in Target along side 3 60g versions.  Little did I know I should have grabbed one of those bad boys.   
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« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2007, 10:38:11 PM »

Yep, games will be key.  Despite the price, there's still a lot of good features packed into the system.  While I do understand that people want the option of skipping such features for a lower price point, Sony will need to leverage those features and get some new exclusives to replace the ones they've lost.  Once this happens, it could be enough to make more people overlook the price.
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« Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 12:04:46 AM »

I would most definitely overlook the price if 3-4 killer EXCLUSIVE games came out.  If Killzone 2 is awesome, God of War 3 comes out, and say one more biggie hits and I am in. 
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« Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 01:02:11 AM »

I am beginning to have my doubts that the heavyweight titles are going to boost sales in a huge way. I most definitely plan on getting a PS3 some day, but I am wondering if they have just priced themselves so far out of the mainstream that they are going to be stuck with the gamecube's install base. And if the Japanese developers flee the PS3 for the Wii, I think that's a certainty. Without a lot of their Japanese dev support the PS3 is going to offer very little that a 360 doesn't at a much higher price.
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« Reply #31 on: April 13, 2007, 12:11:11 PM »

Quote from: Dante Rising on April 12, 2007, 09:12:41 PM

I still believe the upcoming titles like Final Fantasy, Metal Gear and Ratchet and Clank will put PS3 sales through the roof. The problem isn't $600 as a price point- the problem is not being able to justify that price point with a few blockbusters in the library.

Sorry but even exlcusives like that aren't enough to justify the pricepoint.  When the system hits $400 (which I was hoping would happen sometime around now next year on the 20 GB model) then people will be more apt to pick up the system I think, but now that the 20GB version is gone that is yet another price cut cycle worth of waiting.
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« Reply #32 on: April 13, 2007, 12:13:57 PM »

It was already said. If the PS3 wasn't 600, how many more of us would have boughtenTM Ike Enterprises it?  A ton that's how many.
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