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« Reply #80 on: November 08, 2013, 06:03:11 PM »

Quote from: Purge on November 08, 2013, 12:25:41 PM

Rivals might be a surprise for me - I didn't touch it at E3 (too many sports games to see).

The Crew is one I'm watching for as well - I'm glad Ubi isn't forcing that one out the door - I'd rather it be done right then simply finished.

Yeah, I have a preorder in for NFS: Rivals, hoping that the early word is good and I don't have to cancel it.

I really hope The Crew is as awesome as it could be and that the delay will let them realize that potential, but I'm not super optimistic.  Plus, it's now coming out towards the end of next year, so no time soon.
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« Reply #81 on: November 08, 2013, 06:08:04 PM »

I'm good with Forza 5 though. I like the fact that there are attainable rewards, even coming in 4th or 5th. I want to be engaged in the racing, not just bash and crash to the front, and then simply try to stay ahead of the pack.

I also want to see AI that isn't perfect. I hate racing against "follow the line" bots.
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« Reply #82 on: November 08, 2013, 06:10:04 PM »

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I'm good with Forza 5 though. I like the fact that there are attainable rewards, even coming in 4th or 5th. I want to be engaged in the racing, not just bash and crash to the front, and then simply try to stay ahead of the pack.

it'll be like the special olympics....

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« Reply #83 on: November 08, 2013, 06:12:29 PM »

Yeah. I feel the burn. Heading to the gym now.

This will be the second time this week I'll be imagining hitting CK.
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« Reply #84 on: November 08, 2013, 06:14:30 PM »

maybe there will be a Kinect game where you can beat up other peoples avatars.

of course when you hit them you'll actually give them candy, and everyone will hug afterwards....
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« Reply #85 on: November 08, 2013, 06:15:15 PM »

Wanna see Fighter Within.
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« Reply #86 on: November 08, 2013, 06:16:02 PM »

I predict suckage, just like the Fighter game that came out before.
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« Reply #87 on: November 09, 2013, 12:12:21 AM »

From an article on Jalopnik.com

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Turn 10 says their vision for the new Forza is quality over quantity. And while they've included the incredible Mount Panorama from Australian V8 Supercars, they've left out Infineon Raceway (aka Sears Point), Japan's Suzuka Circuit, and, most surprisingly, the Nurburgring Nordschliefe. There are just 14 tracks available when its released, with the possibility that more will be added later through paid downloads.

Yeah, Mount Panorama is good, but no Suzuka? Yas Marina isn't that good a track and certainly no Suzuka. And I like Sears Point. This just gets worse and worse...
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« Reply #88 on: November 10, 2013, 12:55:13 AM »

no cheaper wheel until 2014 frown
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« Reply #89 on: November 10, 2013, 12:57:24 AM »

Starting to think I'd rather just wait for Forza 6.  Or actually, "Forza 5 Complete Edition" next year is probably more likely.
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« Reply #90 on: November 10, 2013, 01:00:57 AM »

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no cheaper wheel until 2014 frown

at this point I'm tempted to reward Thrustmaster with a purchase just because they've given us an actual price.
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« Reply #91 on: November 11, 2013, 07:35:29 PM »

http://www.nowgamer.com/news/2151060/everyone_is_using_100_per_cent_of_xbox_one_says_forzas_creative_director.html
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« Reply #92 on: November 11, 2013, 07:40:04 PM »

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Finally someone who talks sense! Of course everyone uses 100% of the console's power, except for the smaller indies that aren't trying to push graphics. Most developers/publishers who get asked this question respond with vagueness, false boasting, or with measurements based on some fabled maximum possible optimization level, which any developer not under contract can tell you is complete bullshit.

Good to see that some of the guys in the business are at least honest enough not to pretend that the percentages are something they aren't.
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« Reply #93 on: November 12, 2013, 09:16:24 PM »

I think that the point may be missed - it does not mean what we get is the extent of what the console can handle - simply that all resources are being engaged. Whether or not it is the optimal path is not discussed - and a lot of the back-and-forth is the concept that the system is already tapped at launch.

I could use my 100% of my trucks' resources to drag a tree behind it - or I could cut it up and stack the wood neatly inside. The engine doesn't care - but one is certainly more graceful.
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« Reply #94 on: November 12, 2013, 09:21:03 PM »

Anyone who thinks these consoles are running at 100% of their optimal capability is insane. It's a brand new platform. The developers may be engaging it to 100% of *their* ability right now, but with time/experience/luck/OS enhancements, things will undoubtedly get better.

Unless of course you think the 360/PS3 didn't improve over time. In which case you are either blind and/or stupid.

The flip side is that of course devs are maxing it out to the best of their ability and to suggest that they aren't is also stupid. They just aren't that good at it yet and one of these boxes has proven to be easier to learn than the other.

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« Reply #95 on: November 12, 2013, 09:25:19 PM »

The point is that there is no way to measure whether or not you're using 100% of a console's potential. It's a worthless measurement because there is no defined upper limit. To use Purge's truck example, he can easily say that he's using 100% of his truck's actual power, which would be correct. But when he cuts it up and stacks it, how much of the truck's maximum potential to carry wood is he using? Is it 50%? 60%? 70%? Something else? There's no way to know, thus making claims about it nothing but a fantasy. It gets even worse when you start to consider that you have to measure the maximum potential against technology and development methods that may not even have been invented yet at the time.
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« Reply #96 on: November 12, 2013, 09:25:46 PM »

Here's the post that has ALL the announced cars on disk, sorted by year and manufacturer, and make/model.


Spoiler for "YEAR, then mfgr":
1954   Mercedes-Benz   300SL   Gullwing   Coupe               
1957   Ferrari   250   Testa   Rossa               
1960   Chevrolet   Corvette                     
1961   Jaguar   E-type   S1                  
1962   Ferrari   250   GTO                  
1963   Volkswagen   Beetle                     
1964   Aston   Martin   DB5                  
1965   Alfa   Romeo   Giulia   Sprint   GTA   Stradale         
1965   MINI   Cooper   S                  
1965   Shelby   Cobra   427   S/C               
1965   Shelby   Cobra   Daytona   Coupe               
1966   Ford   GT40   MkII                  
1967   Chevrolet   Corvette   Stingray   427               
1967   Lamborghini   Miura   P400                  
1968   Oldsmobile   Hurst/Olds   442                  
1969   Chevrolet   Camaro   SS   Coupe               
1969   Chevrolet   Nova   SS   396               
1969   Ford   Mustang   Boss   302               
1969   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1969   Pontiac   GTO   Judge                  
1970   Chevrolet   Camaro   Z28                  
1970   Chevrolet   Chevelle   SS-454                  
1970   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR-1                  
1970   Chevrolet   El   Camino   SS   454            
1970   Mercury   Cougar   Eliminator                  
1970   Nissan   Datsun   510                  
1971   AMC   Javelin-AMX                     
1971   Lotus   Elan   Sprint                  
1971   Nissan   Skyline   2000GT-R                  
1971   Plymouth   Cuda   426   Hemi               
1973   BMW   2002   Turbo                  
1973   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am   SD-455            
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   312T2               
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   Ferrari   312T2            
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1977   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1981   BMW   M1                     
1982   Lancia   37   Stradale                  
1983   Audi   Sport   Quattro                  
1984   Ferrari   GTO                     
1984   Volkswagen   Rabbit   GTI                  
1985   Ford   RS200   Evolution                  
1985   Toyota   Sprinter   Trueno   GT   Apex            
1986   Lancia   Delta   S4                  
1987   Buick   Regal   GNX                  
1987   Ferrari   F40                     
1987   RUF   CTR   Yellowbird                  
1988   Lamborghini   Countach   LP5000   QV               
1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   IROC-Z                  
1990   Mercedes-Benz   190E   2.5-16   Evolution   II            
1991   BMW   M3                     
1991   Ferrari   512   TR                  
1991   GMC   Syclone                     
1991   Mazda   #55   787B                  
1992   Ford   Escort   RS   Cosworth               
1992   Honda   NSX-R                     
1992   Volkswagen   Golf   Gti   16v   Mk2            
1993   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
1993   McLaren   F1                     
1993   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1994   Ferrari   F355   Berlinetta                  
1994   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
1994   Nissan   240SX   SE                  
1994   Toyota   Celica   GT-Four   ST205               
1995   Ferrari   F50                     
1995   Ford   Mustang   Cobra   R               
1995   Mitsubishi   Eclipse   GSX                  
1995   RUF   CTR2                     
1995   Toyota   MR2   GT                  
1995   Volkswagen   Corrado   VR6                  
1997   BMW   M3                     
1997   Honda   Civic   Type   R               
1997   Lamborghini   Diablo   SV                  
1997   Mazda   RX-7                     
1997   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1998   Eagle   Talon   TSi   Turbo               
1998   Ferrari   #12   Risi   Competizione   F333   SP         
1998   Subaru   Impreza   22B   STi               
1998   Toyota   Supra   RZ                  
1999   Dodge   Viper   GTS   ACR               
1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VI   GSR            
2000   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
2000   Nissan   Silvia   Spec-R                  
2001   Acura   Integra   Type-R                  
2002   Chevrolet   Camaro   35th   Anniversary   SS            
2002   Chevrolet   Corvette   Z06                  
2002   Ferrari   Enzo   Ferrari                  
2003   BMW   M5                     
2003   Ferrari   Challenge   Stradale                  
2003   Nissan   Fairlady   Z                  
2003   Renault   Sport   Clio   V6               
2003   Toyota   Celica   SS-I                  
2003   Volkswagen   Golf   R32                  
2004   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2004   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VIII   MR            
2004   Saleen   S7                     
2004   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STi               
2005   BMW   M3                     
2005   Dodge   SRT4   ACR                  
2005   Ford   Ford   GT                  
2005   Honda   NSX-R                     
2005   Mercedes-Benz   SLR                     
2005   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STI               
2005   TVR   Sagaris                     
2006   Aston   Martin   #007   Aston   Martin   Racing   DBR9      
2006   Audi   RS   4                  
2007   Alfa   Romeo   8C   Competizione               
2007   Ferrari   430   Scuderia                  
2007   Ford   Shelby   GT500                  
2007   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2008   Aston   Martin   DBS                  
2008   BMW   M3                     
2008   Dodge   Viper   SRT10   ACR               
2008   Ferrari   California                     
2009   BMW   #92   Rahal   Letterman   Racing   M3   GT2      
2009   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR1                  
2009   Ford   Focus   RS                  
2009   Honda   S2000   CR                  
2009   Jeep   Cherokee   SRT8                  
2009   Lexus   IS   F                  
2009   Lotus   2-Eleven                     
2009   Mini   Cooper   John   Cooper   Works            
2009   Pagani   Zonda   Cinque   Roadster               
2009   Peugeot   #9   Peugeot   Sport   Total   908         
2010   Abarth   500   esseesse                  
2010   Aston   Martin   One-77                  
2010   Audi   R8   5.2   Coupé   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   R8   Coupé   5.2   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   TT   RS   Coupé               
2010   Ferrari   458   Italia                  
2010   Lamborghini   Murcielago   LP   670-4   SV            
2010   Lexus   LFA                     
2010   Maserati   Gran   Turismo   S               
2010   Mazda   Mazdaspeed   3                  
2010   Nissan370Z                        
2010   Renault   Megane   RS   250               
2010   Volkswagen   Golf   R                  
2011   Audi   RS   3   Sportback               
2011   Audi   RS   5   Coupé               
2011   BMW   1   Series   M   Coupe            
2011   BMW   X5   M                  
2011   BMW   Z4   sDrive35is                  
2011   Bugatti   Veyron   Super   Sport               
2011   Cadillac   CTS-V   Coupe                  
2011   Chevrolet   #4   Corvette   Racing   ZR1            
2011   Citroen   DS3   Racing                  
2011   Ferrari   #62   Risi   Competizione   F458   Italia         
2011   Ferrari   599   GTO                  
2011   Ford   #5   Ford   Performance   Racing   FG   Falcon      
2011   Ford   F-150   SVT   Raptor               
2011   Holden   #1   Toll   Holden   Racing   Team   Commodore   VE   
2011   Holden   HSV   GTS                  
2011   Infiniti   IPL   G   Coupe               
2011   Kia   Cee'd                     
2011   Koenigsegg   Agera                     
2011   Lamborghini   Gallardo   LP570-4   Superleggera               
2011   Mazda   RX-8   R3                  
2011   McLaren   MP4-12C                     
2011   Mercedes-Benz   SLS   AMG                  
2011   Peugeot   308   GTI                  
2011   RUF   Rt   12   S               
2011   Subaru   WRX   STI                  
2011   Volkswagen   Scirocco   R                  
2012   Aston   Martin   Vanquish                  
2012   Audi   #1   Audi   Sport   Team   Joest   R18   e-tron   quattro
2012   BMW   M5                     
2012   Chevrolet   Camaro   ZL1                  
2012   Chrysler   300   SRT8                  
2012   Dallara   #28   Andretti   Autosport   DW12            
2012   Dodge   Challenger   SRT8   392               
2012   Dodge   Charger   SRT8                  
2012   Ferrari   F12berlinetta                     
2012   Hennessey   Venom                     
2012   Hyundai   Veloster   Turbo                  
2012   Jaguar   XKR-S                     
2012   Lamborghini   Aventador   LP700-4                  
2012   Land   Rover   Range   Rover   Supercharged            
2012   Lotus   Exige   S                  
2012   Mercedes-Benz   C63   AMG   Black   Series            
2012   Mercedes-Benz   SLK55   AMG                  
2012   Nissan   GT-R   Black   Edition               
2012   Pagani   Huayra                     
2012   Scion   tC                     
2012   Vauxhall   Astra   VXR                  
2013   Ariel   Atom   500   V8               
2013   Audi   R8   Coupé   V10   plus   5.2   FSI   quattro   
2013   Audi   RS   7                  
2013   Audi   S4                     
2013   Chevrolet   #1   Andretti   Autosport   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Chevrolet   #12   Team   Penske   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Dallara   #9   Target   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Ford   Focus   ST                  
2013   Ford   Shelby   Mustang   GT500               
2013   Honda   #15   Rahal   Letterman   Lanigan   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Honda   #9   Target   Chip   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Hyundai   Genesis   Coupe   3.8   Track            
2013   KTM   X-Bow   R                  
2013   Lotus   E21                     
2013   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
2013   McLaren   P1™                     
2013   Mercedes-Benz   G65   AMG                  
2013   Subaru   BRZ                     
2013   Toyota   GT86                     
2013   Viper   #91   SRT   Motorsport   GTS-R            
2013   Viper   GTS                     
2014   Ford   Fiesta   ST                  

Spoiler for "Mfgr, make, year, model":
2010   Abarth   500   esseesse                  
2001   Acura   Integra   Type-R                  
2007   Alfa   Romeo   8C   Competizione               
1965   Alfa   Romeo   Giulia   Sprint   GTA   Stradale         
1971   AMC   Javelin-AMX                     
2013   Ariel   Atom   500   V8               
2006   Aston   Martin   #007   Aston   Martin   Racing   DBR9      
1964   Aston   Martin   DB5                  
2008   Aston   Martin   DBS                  
2010   Aston   Martin   One-77                  
2012   Aston   Martin   Vanquish                  
2012   Audi   #1   Audi   Sport   Team   Joest   R18   e-tron   quattro
2010   Audi   R8   5.2   Coupé   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   R8   Coupé   5.2   FSI   quattro         
2013   Audi   R8   Coupé   V10   plus   5.2   FSI   quattro   
2011   Audi   RS   3   Sportback               
2006   Audi   RS   4                  
2011   Audi   RS   5   Coupé               
2013   Audi   RS   7                  
2013   Audi   S4                     
1983   Audi   Sport   Quattro                  
2010   Audi   TT   RS   Coupé               
2011   BMW   1   Series   M   Coupe            
1973   BMW   2002   Turbo                  
2009   BMW   #92   Rahal   Letterman   Racing   M3   GT2      
1981   BMW   M1                     
1991   BMW   M3                     
1997   BMW   M3                     
2005   BMW   M3                     
2008   BMW   M3                     
2003   BMW   M5                     
2012   BMW   M5                     
2011   BMW   X5   M                  
2011   BMW   Z4   sDrive35is                  
2011   Bugatti   Veyron   Super   Sport               
1987   Buick   Regal   GNX                  
2011   Cadillac   CTS-V   Coupe                  
2013   Chevrolet   #1   Andretti   Autosport   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Chevrolet   #12   Team   Penske   Dallara   DW12         
2011   Chevrolet   #4   Corvette   Racing   ZR1            
2002   Chevrolet   Camaro   35th   Anniversary   SS            
1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   IROC-Z                  
1969   Chevrolet   Camaro   SS   Coupe               
1970   Chevrolet   Camaro   Z28                  
2012   Chevrolet   Camaro   ZL1                  
1970   Chevrolet   Chevelle   SS-454                  
1967   Chevrolet   Corvette   Stingray   427               
2002   Chevrolet   Corvette   Z06                  
2009   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR1                  
1970   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR-1                  
1960   Chevrolet   Corvette                     
1970   Chevrolet   El   Camino   SS   454            
1969   Chevrolet   Nova   SS   396               
2012   Chrysler   300   SRT8                  
2011   Citroen   DS3   Racing                  
2012   Dallara   #28   Andretti   Autosport   DW12            
2013   Dallara   #9   Target   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12         
2012   Dodge   Challenger   SRT8   392               
2012   Dodge   Charger   SRT8                  
2005   Dodge   SRT4   ACR                  
1999   Dodge   Viper   GTS   ACR               
2008   Dodge   Viper   SRT10   ACR               
1998   Eagle   Talon   TSi   Turbo               
1962   Ferrari   250   GTO                  
1957   Ferrari   250   Testa   Rossa               
2007   Ferrari   430   Scuderia                  
2010   Ferrari   458   Italia                  
1991   Ferrari   512   TR                  
2011   Ferrari   599   GTO                  
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   312T2               
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   Ferrari   312T2            
1998   Ferrari   #12   Risi   Competizione   F333   SP         
2011   Ferrari   #62   Risi   Competizione   F458   Italia         
2008   Ferrari   California                     
2003   Ferrari   Challenge   Stradale                  
2002   Ferrari   Enzo   Ferrari                  
2012   Ferrari   F12berlinetta                     
1994   Ferrari   F355   Berlinetta                  
1987   Ferrari   F40                     
1995   Ferrari   F50                     
1984   Ferrari   GTO                     
2011   Ford   #5   Ford   Performance   Racing   FG   Falcon      
1992   Ford   Escort   RS   Cosworth               
2011   Ford   F-150   SVT   Raptor               
2014   Ford   Fiesta   ST                  
2009   Ford   Focus   RS                  
2013   Ford   Focus   ST                  
2005   Ford   Ford   GT                  
1966   Ford   GT40   MkII                  
1969   Ford   Mustang   Boss   302               
1995   Ford   Mustang   Cobra   R               
1985   Ford   RS200   Evolution                  
2007   Ford   Shelby   GT500                  
2013   Ford   Shelby   Mustang   GT500               
1993   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
2000   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
1991   GMC   Syclone                     
2012   Hennessey   Venom                     
2011   Holden   #1   Toll   Holden   Racing   Team   Commodore   VE   
2011   Holden   HSV   GTS                  
2013   Honda   #15   Rahal   Letterman   Lanigan   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Honda   #9   Target   Chip   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12      
1997   Honda   Civic   Type   R               
2004   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2007   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
1992   Honda   NSX-R                     
2005   Honda   NSX-R                     
2009   Honda   S2000   CR                  
2013   Hyundai   Genesis   Coupe   3.8   Track            
2012   Hyundai   Veloster   Turbo                  
2011   Infiniti   IPL   G   Coupe               
1961   Jaguar   E-type   S1                  
2012   Jaguar   XKR-S                     
2009   Jeep   Cherokee   SRT8                  
2011   Kia   Cee'd                     
2011   Koenigsegg   Agera                     
2013   KTM   X-Bow   R                  
2012   Lamborghini   Aventador   LP700-4                  
1988   Lamborghini   Countach   LP5000   QV               
1997   Lamborghini   Diablo   SV                  
2011   Lamborghini   Gallardo   LP570-4   Superleggera               
1967   Lamborghini   Miura   P400                  
2010   Lamborghini   Murcielago   LP   670-4   SV            
1982   Lancia   37   Stradale                  
1986   Lancia   Delta   S4                  
2012   Land   Rover   Range   Rover   Supercharged            
2009   Lexus   IS   F                  
2010   Lexus   LFA                     
2009   Lotus   2-Eleven                     
2013   Lotus   E21                     
1971   Lotus   Elan   Sprint                  
2012   Lotus   Exige   S                  
2010   Maserati   Gran   Turismo   S               
1991   Mazda   #55   787B                  
2010   Mazda   Mazdaspeed   3                  
1994   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
2013   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
1997   Mazda   RX-7                     
2011   Mazda   RX-8   R3                  
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1993   McLaren   F1                     
2011   McLaren   MP4-12C                     
2013   McLaren   P1™                     
1990   Mercedes-Benz   190E   2.5-16   Evolution   II            
1954   Mercedes-Benz   300SL   Gullwing   Coupe               
2012   Mercedes-Benz   C63   AMG   Black   Series            
2013   Mercedes-Benz   G65   AMG                  
2012   Mercedes-Benz   SLK55   AMG                  
2005   Mercedes-Benz   SLR                     
2011   Mercedes-Benz   SLS   AMG                  
1970   Mercury   Cougar   Eliminator                  
2009   Mini   Cooper   John   Cooper   Works            
1965   MINI   Cooper   S                  
1995   Mitsubishi   Eclipse   GSX                  
1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VI   GSR            
2004   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VIII   MR            
1994   Nissan   240SX   SE                  
1970   Nissan   Datsun   510                  
2003   Nissan   Fairlady   Z                  
2012   Nissan   GT-R   Black   Edition               
2000   Nissan   Silvia   Spec-R                  
1971   Nissan   Skyline   2000GT-R                  
1993   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1997   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
2010   Nissan370Z                        
1968   Oldsmobile   Hurst/Olds   442                  
2012   Pagani   Huayra                     
2009   Pagani   Zonda   Cinque   Roadster               
2011   Peugeot   308   GTI                  
2009   Peugeot   #9   Peugeot   Sport   Total   908         
1971   Plymouth   Cuda   426   Hemi               
1969   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1973   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am   SD-455            
1977   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1969   Pontiac   GTO   Judge                  
2010   Renault   Megane   RS   250               
2003   Renault   Sport   Clio   V6               
1987   RUF   CTR   Yellowbird                  
1995   RUF   CTR2                     
2011   RUF   Rt   12   S               
2004   Saleen   S7                     
2012   Scion   tC                     
1965   Shelby   Cobra   427   S/C               
1965   Shelby   Cobra   Daytona   Coupe               
2013   Subaru   BRZ                     
1998   Subaru   Impreza   22B   STi               
2004   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STi               
2005   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STI               
2011   Subaru   WRX   STI                  
1994   Toyota   Celica   GT-Four   ST205               
2003   Toyota   Celica   SS-I                  
2013   Toyota   GT86                     
1995   Toyota   MR2   GT                  
1985   Toyota   Sprinter   Trueno   GT   Apex            
1998   Toyota   Supra   RZ                  
2005   TVR   Sagaris                     
2012   Vauxhall   Astra   VXR                  
2013   Viper   #91   SRT   Motorsport   GTS-R            
2013   Viper   GTS                     
1963   Volkswagen   Beetle                     
1995   Volkswagen   Corrado   VR6                  
1992   Volkswagen   Golf   Gti   16v   Mk2            
2010   Volkswagen   Golf   R                  
2003   Volkswagen   Golf   R32                  
1984   Volkswagen   Rabbit   GTI                  
2011   Volkswagen   Scirocco   R                  
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« Reply #97 on: November 12, 2013, 09:29:13 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on November 12, 2013, 09:25:19 PM

The point is that there is no way to measure whether or not you're using 100% of a console's potential. It's a worthless measurement because there is no defined upper limit. To use Purge's truck example, he can easily say that he's using 100% of his truck's actual power, which would be correct. But when he cuts it up and stacks it, how much of the truck's maximum potential to carry wood is he using? Is it 50%? 60%? 70%? Something else? There's no way to know, thus making claims about it nothing but a fantasy. It gets even worse when you start to consider that you have to measure the maximum potential against technology and development methods that may not even have been invented yet at the time.

Yeah I don't disgree, but I would think that most devs (certainly all AAA titles) are going to be running at their 100% at that particular point in time.

Using the truck analogy on it's side a bit:
The first time I drive Purge's truck around the track, I'm not sure of its cornering limits, proper gear for turn exits, etc... The next lap, I'll be better. The 50th lap, better still. 100th lap... I might be running into significant diminishing returns, but if Fernando Alonso (the equivalent of a much, much better developer) were to come in and drive, he'd certainly do better than I would lap one.

I do agree that we can't possibly know the upper bound of any system at this point in its life cycle.
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« Reply #98 on: November 12, 2013, 09:30:43 PM »

Quote from: TiLT on November 12, 2013, 09:25:19 PM

The point is that there is no way to measure whether or not you're using 100% of a console's potential. It's a worthless measurement because there is no defined upper limit. To use Purge's truck example, he can easily say that he's using 100% of his truck's actual power, which would be correct. But when he cuts it up and stacks it, how much of the truck's maximum potential to carry wood is he using? Is it 50%? 60%? 70%? Something else? There's no way to know, thus making claims about it nothing but a fantasy. It gets even worse when you start to consider that you have to measure the maximum potential against technology and development methods that may not even have been invented yet at the time.

Uhm, they have kits where they run the program, performance test it based on code, then make sure there is no problems. They then add to it, lather, rinse, repeat.

By yardstick of the application, they push the console to the upper limits of what they are willing to commit to being able to maintain the values they set.

Comparing App1 to App2 in that regard is stupid - but App1 run1env vs run2env with a predetermined list of requirements? They absolutely CAN determine that they're pushing the limits of the hardware with that particular code.
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« Reply #99 on: November 12, 2013, 10:03:54 PM »

Quote from: Purge on November 12, 2013, 09:25:46 PM

Here's the post that has ALL the announced cars on disk, sorted by year and manufacturer, and make/model.


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1954   Mercedes-Benz   300SL   Gullwing   Coupe               
1957   Ferrari   250   Testa   Rossa               
1960   Chevrolet   Corvette                     
1961   Jaguar   E-type   S1                  
1962   Ferrari   250   GTO                  
1963   Volkswagen   Beetle                     
1964   Aston   Martin   DB5                  
1965   Alfa   Romeo   Giulia   Sprint   GTA   Stradale         
1965   MINI   Cooper   S                  
1965   Shelby   Cobra   427   S/C               
1965   Shelby   Cobra   Daytona   Coupe               
1966   Ford   GT40   MkII                  
1967   Chevrolet   Corvette   Stingray   427               
1967   Lamborghini   Miura   P400                  
1968   Oldsmobile   Hurst/Olds   442                  
1969   Chevrolet   Camaro   SS   Coupe               
1969   Chevrolet   Nova   SS   396               
1969   Ford   Mustang   Boss   302               
1969   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1969   Pontiac   GTO   Judge                  
1970   Chevrolet   Camaro   Z28                  
1970   Chevrolet   Chevelle   SS-454                  
1970   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR-1                  
1970   Chevrolet   El   Camino   SS   454            
1970   Mercury   Cougar   Eliminator                  
1970   Nissan   Datsun   510                  
1971   AMC   Javelin-AMX                     
1971   Lotus   Elan   Sprint                  
1971   Nissan   Skyline   2000GT-R                  
1971   Plymouth   Cuda   426   Hemi               
1973   BMW   2002   Turbo                  
1973   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am   SD-455            
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   312T2               
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   Ferrari   312T2            
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1976   McLaren   #11   Team   McLaren   M23            
1977   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1981   BMW   M1                     
1982   Lancia   37   Stradale                  
1983   Audi   Sport   Quattro                  
1984   Ferrari   GTO                     
1984   Volkswagen   Rabbit   GTI                  
1985   Ford   RS200   Evolution                  
1985   Toyota   Sprinter   Trueno   GT   Apex            
1986   Lancia   Delta   S4                  
1987   Buick   Regal   GNX                  
1987   Ferrari   F40                     
1987   RUF   CTR   Yellowbird                  
1988   Lamborghini   Countach   LP5000   QV               
1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   IROC-Z                  
1990   Mercedes-Benz   190E   2.5-16   Evolution   II            
1991   BMW   M3                     
1991   Ferrari   512   TR                  
1991   GMC   Syclone                     
1991   Mazda   #55   787B                  
1992   Ford   Escort   RS   Cosworth               
1992   Honda   NSX-R                     
1992   Volkswagen   Golf   Gti   16v   Mk2            
1993   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
1993   McLaren   F1                     
1993   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1994   Ferrari   F355   Berlinetta                  
1994   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
1994   Nissan   240SX   SE                  
1994   Toyota   Celica   GT-Four   ST205               
1995   Ferrari   F50                     
1995   Ford   Mustang   Cobra   R               
1995   Mitsubishi   Eclipse   GSX                  
1995   RUF   CTR2                     
1995   Toyota   MR2   GT                  
1995   Volkswagen   Corrado   VR6                  
1997   BMW   M3                     
1997   Honda   Civic   Type   R               
1997   Lamborghini   Diablo   SV                  
1997   Mazda   RX-7                     
1997   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1998   Eagle   Talon   TSi   Turbo               
1998   Ferrari   #12   Risi   Competizione   F333   SP         
1998   Subaru   Impreza   22B   STi               
1998   Toyota   Supra   RZ                  
1999   Dodge   Viper   GTS   ACR               
1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VI   GSR            
2000   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
2000   Nissan   Silvia   Spec-R                  
2001   Acura   Integra   Type-R                  
2002   Chevrolet   Camaro   35th   Anniversary   SS            
2002   Chevrolet   Corvette   Z06                  
2002   Ferrari   Enzo   Ferrari                  
2003   BMW   M5                     
2003   Ferrari   Challenge   Stradale                  
2003   Nissan   Fairlady   Z                  
2003   Renault   Sport   Clio   V6               
2003   Toyota   Celica   SS-I                  
2003   Volkswagen   Golf   R32                  
2004   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2004   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VIII   MR            
2004   Saleen   S7                     
2004   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STi               
2005   BMW   M3                     
2005   Dodge   SRT4   ACR                  
2005   Ford   Ford   GT                  
2005   Honda   NSX-R                     
2005   Mercedes-Benz   SLR                     
2005   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STI               
2005   TVR   Sagaris                     
2006   Aston   Martin   #007   Aston   Martin   Racing   DBR9      
2006   Audi   RS   4                  
2007   Alfa   Romeo   8C   Competizione               
2007   Ferrari   430   Scuderia                  
2007   Ford   Shelby   GT500                  
2007   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2008   Aston   Martin   DBS                  
2008   BMW   M3                     
2008   Dodge   Viper   SRT10   ACR               
2008   Ferrari   California                     
2009   BMW   #92   Rahal   Letterman   Racing   M3   GT2      
2009   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR1                  
2009   Ford   Focus   RS                  
2009   Honda   S2000   CR                  
2009   Jeep   Cherokee   SRT8                  
2009   Lexus   IS   F                  
2009   Lotus   2-Eleven                     
2009   Mini   Cooper   John   Cooper   Works            
2009   Pagani   Zonda   Cinque   Roadster               
2009   Peugeot   #9   Peugeot   Sport   Total   908         
2010   Abarth   500   esseesse                  
2010   Aston   Martin   One-77                  
2010   Audi   R8   5.2   Coupé   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   R8   Coupé   5.2   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   TT   RS   Coupé               
2010   Ferrari   458   Italia                  
2010   Lamborghini   Murcielago   LP   670-4   SV            
2010   Lexus   LFA                     
2010   Maserati   Gran   Turismo   S               
2010   Mazda   Mazdaspeed   3                  
2010   Nissan370Z                        
2010   Renault   Megane   RS   250               
2010   Volkswagen   Golf   R                  
2011   Audi   RS   3   Sportback               
2011   Audi   RS   5   Coupé               
2011   BMW   1   Series   M   Coupe            
2011   BMW   X5   M                  
2011   BMW   Z4   sDrive35is                  
2011   Bugatti   Veyron   Super   Sport               
2011   Cadillac   CTS-V   Coupe                  
2011   Chevrolet   #4   Corvette   Racing   ZR1            
2011   Citroen   DS3   Racing                  
2011   Ferrari   #62   Risi   Competizione   F458   Italia         
2011   Ferrari   599   GTO                  
2011   Ford   #5   Ford   Performance   Racing   FG   Falcon      
2011   Ford   F-150   SVT   Raptor               
2011   Holden   #1   Toll   Holden   Racing   Team   Commodore   VE   
2011   Holden   HSV   GTS                  
2011   Infiniti   IPL   G   Coupe               
2011   Kia   Cee'd                     
2011   Koenigsegg   Agera                     
2011   Lamborghini   Gallardo   LP570-4   Superleggera               
2011   Mazda   RX-8   R3                  
2011   McLaren   MP4-12C                     
2011   Mercedes-Benz   SLS   AMG                  
2011   Peugeot   308   GTI                  
2011   RUF   Rt   12   S               
2011   Subaru   WRX   STI                  
2011   Volkswagen   Scirocco   R                  
2012   Aston   Martin   Vanquish                  
2012   Audi   #1   Audi   Sport   Team   Joest   R18   e-tron   quattro
2012   BMW   M5                     
2012   Chevrolet   Camaro   ZL1                  
2012   Chrysler   300   SRT8                  
2012   Dallara   #28   Andretti   Autosport   DW12            
2012   Dodge   Challenger   SRT8   392               
2012   Dodge   Charger   SRT8                  
2012   Ferrari   F12berlinetta                     
2012   Hennessey   Venom                     
2012   Hyundai   Veloster   Turbo                  
2012   Jaguar   XKR-S                     
2012   Lamborghini   Aventador   LP700-4                  
2012   Land   Rover   Range   Rover   Supercharged            
2012   Lotus   Exige   S                  
2012   Mercedes-Benz   C63   AMG   Black   Series            
2012   Mercedes-Benz   SLK55   AMG                  
2012   Nissan   GT-R   Black   Edition               
2012   Pagani   Huayra                     
2012   Scion   tC                     
2012   Vauxhall   Astra   VXR                  
2013   Ariel   Atom   500   V8               
2013   Audi   R8   Coupé   V10   plus   5.2   FSI   quattro   
2013   Audi   RS   7                  
2013   Audi   S4                     
2013   Chevrolet   #1   Andretti   Autosport   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Chevrolet   #12   Team   Penske   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Dallara   #9   Target   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Ford   Focus   ST                  
2013   Ford   Shelby   Mustang   GT500               
2013   Honda   #15   Rahal   Letterman   Lanigan   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Honda   #9   Target   Chip   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Hyundai   Genesis   Coupe   3.8   Track            
2013   KTM   X-Bow   R                  
2013   Lotus   E21                     
2013   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
2013   McLaren   P1™                     
2013   Mercedes-Benz   G65   AMG                  
2013   Subaru   BRZ                     
2013   Toyota   GT86                     
2013   Viper   #91   SRT   Motorsport   GTS-R            
2013   Viper   GTS                     
2014   Ford   Fiesta   ST                  

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2010   Abarth   500   esseesse                  
2001   Acura   Integra   Type-R                  
2007   Alfa   Romeo   8C   Competizione               
1965   Alfa   Romeo   Giulia   Sprint   GTA   Stradale         
1971   AMC   Javelin-AMX                     
2013   Ariel   Atom   500   V8               
2006   Aston   Martin   #007   Aston   Martin   Racing   DBR9      
1964   Aston   Martin   DB5                  
2008   Aston   Martin   DBS                  
2010   Aston   Martin   One-77                  
2012   Aston   Martin   Vanquish                  
2012   Audi   #1   Audi   Sport   Team   Joest   R18   e-tron   quattro
2010   Audi   R8   5.2   Coupé   FSI   quattro         
2010   Audi   R8   Coupé   5.2   FSI   quattro         
2013   Audi   R8   Coupé   V10   plus   5.2   FSI   quattro   
2011   Audi   RS   3   Sportback               
2006   Audi   RS   4                  
2011   Audi   RS   5   Coupé               
2013   Audi   RS   7                  
2013   Audi   S4                     
1983   Audi   Sport   Quattro                  
2010   Audi   TT   RS   Coupé               
2011   BMW   1   Series   M   Coupe            
1973   BMW   2002   Turbo                  
2009   BMW   #92   Rahal   Letterman   Racing   M3   GT2      
1981   BMW   M1                     
1991   BMW   M3                     
1997   BMW   M3                     
2005   BMW   M3                     
2008   BMW   M3                     
2003   BMW   M5                     
2012   BMW   M5                     
2011   BMW   X5   M                  
2011   BMW   Z4   sDrive35is                  
2011   Bugatti   Veyron   Super   Sport               
1987   Buick   Regal   GNX                  
2011   Cadillac   CTS-V   Coupe                  
2013   Chevrolet   #1   Andretti   Autosport   Dallara   DW12         
2013   Chevrolet   #12   Team   Penske   Dallara   DW12         
2011   Chevrolet   #4   Corvette   Racing   ZR1            
2002   Chevrolet   Camaro   35th   Anniversary   SS            
1990   Chevrolet   Camaro   IROC-Z                  
1969   Chevrolet   Camaro   SS   Coupe               
1970   Chevrolet   Camaro   Z28                  
2012   Chevrolet   Camaro   ZL1                  
1970   Chevrolet   Chevelle   SS-454                  
1967   Chevrolet   Corvette   Stingray   427               
2002   Chevrolet   Corvette   Z06                  
2009   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR1                  
1970   Chevrolet   Corvette   ZR-1                  
1960   Chevrolet   Corvette                     
1970   Chevrolet   El   Camino   SS   454            
1969   Chevrolet   Nova   SS   396               
2012   Chrysler   300   SRT8                  
2011   Citroen   DS3   Racing                  
2012   Dallara   #28   Andretti   Autosport   DW12            
2013   Dallara   #9   Target   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12         
2012   Dodge   Challenger   SRT8   392               
2012   Dodge   Charger   SRT8                  
2005   Dodge   SRT4   ACR                  
1999   Dodge   Viper   GTS   ACR               
2008   Dodge   Viper   SRT10   ACR               
1998   Eagle   Talon   TSi   Turbo               
1962   Ferrari   250   GTO                  
1957   Ferrari   250   Testa   Rossa               
2007   Ferrari   430   Scuderia                  
2010   Ferrari   458   Italia                  
1991   Ferrari   512   TR                  
2011   Ferrari   599   GTO                  
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   312T2               
1976   Ferrari   #1   Scuderia   Ferrari   312T2            
1998   Ferrari   #12   Risi   Competizione   F333   SP         
2011   Ferrari   #62   Risi   Competizione   F458   Italia         
2008   Ferrari   California                     
2003   Ferrari   Challenge   Stradale                  
2002   Ferrari   Enzo   Ferrari                  
2012   Ferrari   F12berlinetta                     
1994   Ferrari   F355   Berlinetta                  
1987   Ferrari   F40                     
1995   Ferrari   F50                     
1984   Ferrari   GTO                     
2011   Ford   #5   Ford   Performance   Racing   FG   Falcon      
1992   Ford   Escort   RS   Cosworth               
2011   Ford   F-150   SVT   Raptor               
2014   Ford   Fiesta   ST                  
2009   Ford   Focus   RS                  
2013   Ford   Focus   ST                  
2005   Ford   Ford   GT                  
1966   Ford   GT40   MkII                  
1969   Ford   Mustang   Boss   302               
1995   Ford   Mustang   Cobra   R               
1985   Ford   RS200   Evolution                  
2007   Ford   Shelby   GT500                  
2013   Ford   Shelby   Mustang   GT500               
1993   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
2000   Ford   SVT   Cobra   R               
1991   GMC   Syclone                     
2012   Hennessey   Venom                     
2011   Holden   #1   Toll   Holden   Racing   Team   Commodore   VE   
2011   Holden   HSV   GTS                  
2013   Honda   #15   Rahal   Letterman   Lanigan   Dallara   DW12      
2013   Honda   #9   Target   Chip   Ganassi   Dallara   DW12      
1997   Honda   Civic   Type   R               
2004   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
2007   Honda   Civic   Type-R                  
1992   Honda   NSX-R                     
2005   Honda   NSX-R                     
2009   Honda   S2000   CR                  
2013   Hyundai   Genesis   Coupe   3.8   Track            
2012   Hyundai   Veloster   Turbo                  
2011   Infiniti   IPL   G   Coupe               
1961   Jaguar   E-type   S1                  
2012   Jaguar   XKR-S                     
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2011   Kia   Cee'd                     
2011   Koenigsegg   Agera                     
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1997   Lamborghini   Diablo   SV                  
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2010   Mazda   Mazdaspeed   3                  
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2013   Mazda   MX-5   Miata                  
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2011   McLaren   MP4-12C                     
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1999   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VI   GSR            
2004   Mitsubishi   Lancer   Evolution   VIII   MR            
1994   Nissan   240SX   SE                  
1970   Nissan   Datsun   510                  
2003   Nissan   Fairlady   Z                  
2012   Nissan   GT-R   Black   Edition               
2000   Nissan   Silvia   Spec-R                  
1971   Nissan   Skyline   2000GT-R                  
1993   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
1997   Nissan   Skyline   GT-R   V-Spec               
2010   Nissan370Z                        
1968   Oldsmobile   Hurst/Olds   442                  
2012   Pagani   Huayra                     
2009   Pagani   Zonda   Cinque   Roadster               
2011   Peugeot   308   GTI                  
2009   Peugeot   #9   Peugeot   Sport   Total   908         
1971   Plymouth   Cuda   426   Hemi               
1969   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1973   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am   SD-455            
1977   Pontiac   Firebird   Trans   Am               
1969   Pontiac   GTO   Judge                  
2010   Renault   Megane   RS   250               
2003   Renault   Sport   Clio   V6               
1987   RUF   CTR   Yellowbird                  
1995   RUF   CTR2                     
2011   RUF   Rt   12   S               
2004   Saleen   S7                     
2012   Scion   tC                     
1965   Shelby   Cobra   427   S/C               
1965   Shelby   Cobra   Daytona   Coupe               
2013   Subaru   BRZ                     
1998   Subaru   Impreza   22B   STi               
2004   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STi               
2005   Subaru   Impreza   WRX   STI               
2011   Subaru   WRX   STI                  
1994   Toyota   Celica   GT-Four   ST205               
2003   Toyota   Celica   SS-I                  
2013   Toyota   GT86                     
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1985   Toyota   Sprinter   Trueno   GT   Apex            
1998   Toyota   Supra   RZ                  
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2012   Vauxhall   Astra   VXR                  
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2013   Viper   GTS                     
1963   Volkswagen   Beetle                     
1995   Volkswagen   Corrado   VR6                  
1992   Volkswagen   Golf   Gti   16v   Mk2            
2010   Volkswagen   Golf   R                  
2003   Volkswagen   Golf   R32                  
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« Reply #100 on: November 12, 2013, 10:04:39 PM »

Quote from: gellar on November 12, 2013, 09:21:03 PM

Anyone who thinks these consoles are running at 100% of their optimal capability is insane. It's a brand new platform. The developers may be engaging it to 100% of *their* ability right now, but with time/experience/luck/OS enhancements, things will undoubtedly get better.

maybe they are at 10, but they could go to... 11.
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« Reply #101 on: November 12, 2013, 10:07:36 PM »

Quote from: gellar on November 12, 2013, 09:29:13 PM

The first time I drive Purge's truck around the track

bah, if it's Purge's truck just put the pedal to the metal.  if it breaks it's his fault for letting you drive, but he'll still give you a gold star biggrin
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« Reply #102 on: November 20, 2013, 02:22:24 PM »

Reviews are rolling in

Polygon 9

Some have rightly pointed out the Polygon can very MS bias at times, so take this review with a grain of salt


Joystiq 4 of 5 stars

IGN 8.8


Looks liks Forza is turnihng out to be the best launch game if these scores stay consistent


Metacritic 82 right now.  Lowest score from EGM 65
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« Reply #103 on: November 20, 2013, 02:34:02 PM »

Eurogamer gave it a 7/10.

I am very under whelmed, 14 tracks is not enough, tracks are the meat of the game. Its like playing an Fps and shooting the same enemies over and over.

200 cars is not that many either, i mean i am no hardcore collector but how many out of those 200 are must haves.

Also 10 hours to grind out a million to buy a car sounds less than fun. No career mode as such and too much grinding to buy too few cars.

This was the one game which i was hoping would make me want to get an Xbox 1 instead it doesnt. Forza 4 is one of the few games i still play and is always something you can come back to.

Flash graphics are all good and well but I am no graphic whore, too much to ask but i really hope GT6 does the business.
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« Reply #104 on: November 20, 2013, 02:56:33 PM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on November 20, 2013, 02:22:24 PM

Reviews are rolling in


Looks liks Forza is turnihng out to be the best launch game if these scores stay consistent
Great. I wish racing games did something for me. frown
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« Reply #105 on: November 21, 2013, 05:01:45 AM »

Cash earnings work differently than before, Reemul. Not only do you earn more for racing (not just getting podium) but your Drivatar earns too.

The cars they've selected look pretty compelling - and IIRC the Top Gear guys had something to do with the selection.

But each to their own, I guess.
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« Reply #106 on: November 21, 2013, 05:16:51 AM »

yeah, they're more like 'hey, you showed up, free money!' slywink
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« Reply #107 on: November 21, 2013, 09:12:28 AM »

It seems career mode is crap, no reward cars, not much of a mode and poor rewards. It looks like you need to buy everything which really will turn in to a grind. With Micro transactions and loads of dlc it seems thew ay to get what you need is to pay more for it.

For me half the fun is winning stuff i didn't expect and getting to try lots of cars out on the different tracks.

Forza is a superb series but this has been rushed out because of Xbox One. It needed another year to do it properly, xmas release next year would have made it a must buy and maybe the console too.

The question i ask myself what would I gain from buying F5 (which will work out at £500) which has less cars, less tracks and an even worse career mode than Forza 4 and the answer seems to be better graphics which was always going to be a worry. Playing F4 last night didnt make me think i need better graphics, really concentration is on the driving line etc, i only notice how good it looks while watching my son drive.

Gran Turismo 6 could be my new goto racing game for a change.
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« Reply #108 on: November 21, 2013, 10:13:09 AM »

Quote from: Reemul on November 21, 2013, 09:12:28 AM

It seems career mode is crap, no reward cars, not much of a mode and poor rewards. It looks like you need to buy everything which really will turn in to a grind. With Micro transactions and loads of dlc it seems thew ay to get what you need is to pay more for it.

For me half the fun is winning stuff i didn't expect and getting to try lots of cars out on the different tracks.

Forza is a superb series but this has been rushed out because of Xbox One. It needed another year to do it properly, xmas release next year would have made it a must buy and maybe the console too.

The question i ask myself what would I gain from buying F5 (which will work out at £500) which has less cars, less tracks and an even worse career mode than Forza 4 and the answer seems to be better graphics which was always going to be a worry. Playing F4 last night didnt make me think i need better graphics, really concentration is on the driving line etc, i only notice how good it looks while watching my son drive.

Gran Turismo 6 could be my new goto racing game for a change.

We can hope GT6 comes out in a more timely manner than GT5.  One advantage for the Xbox is the vibrating triggers, lots of reviewers seem to like the Forza 5 usage.
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« Reply #109 on: November 21, 2013, 10:31:23 AM »

I'm drunk. I enjoy the friendly banter. I'm sure the xbone will be great. If there are games for it That I want, ill grab it eventually. Btw, ps4 is awesome, I expect nothing less from xb1. Next gen is on!


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« Reply #110 on: November 21, 2013, 10:41:48 AM »

Quote from: Harpua3 on November 21, 2013, 10:31:23 AM

I'm drunk. I enjoy the friendly banter. I'm sure the xbone will be great. If there are games for it That I want, ill grab it eventually. Btw, ps4 is awesome, I expect nothing less from xb1. Next gen is on!


I love how annoying and yet sincere I was. +1 me.

I think you wanted the other thread slywink
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« Reply #111 on: November 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM »

Quote from: CeeKay on November 21, 2013, 10:41:48 AM

Quote from: Harpua3 on November 21, 2013, 10:31:23 AM

I'm drunk. I enjoy the friendly banter. I'm sure the xbone will be great. If there are games for it That I want, ill grab it eventually. Btw, ps4 is awesome, I expect nothing less from xb1. Next gen is on!


I love how annoying and yet sincere I was. +1 me.

I think you wanted the other thread slywink

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« Reply #112 on: November 21, 2013, 10:50:44 AM »

Quote from: Soulchilde on November 21, 2013, 10:46:16 AM

Quote from: CeeKay on November 21, 2013, 10:41:48 AM

Quote from: Harpua3 on November 21, 2013, 10:31:23 AM

I'm drunk. I enjoy the friendly banter. I'm sure the xbone will be great. If there are games for it That I want, ill grab it eventually. Btw, ps4 is awesome, I expect nothing less from xb1. Next gen is on!


I love how annoying and yet sincere I was. +1 me.

I think you wanted the other thread slywink

He's drunk, so it doesn't really matter  Tongue

Hey, "drunk" is a relative term. Just wanted that one on the record!
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« Reply #113 on: November 21, 2013, 10:52:34 AM »

Ps. I wanted the other thread. Ceekay, it's your fault!
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« Reply #114 on: November 21, 2013, 06:27:12 PM »

 Torches and Happiness! Drunk in a driving game thread?  Oh I'm so MADD.  Torches and Happiness!
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« Reply #115 on: November 21, 2013, 06:29:24 PM »

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Torches and Happiness! Drunk in a driving game thread?  Oh I'm so MADD.  Torches and Happiness!

That mob looks to be happy.
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« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2013, 06:41:32 PM »

cause they're drunk.
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« Reply #117 on: November 21, 2013, 06:47:43 PM »

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cause they're drunk.

Oh, that explains it.
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« Reply #118 on: November 22, 2013, 03:52:42 AM »

Reemul, maybe this will shed some light on design choices :
http://revision3.com/rev3gamespreviews/forza5-interview

Dunno. I'll tell you what I like and don't like about it in a bit.
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« Reply #119 on: November 22, 2013, 10:32:59 AM »

likes:  it has cars that go vroom!
dislikes: red does not make you go faster.
really dislikes: won't be able to actually play it until my XB1 gets here.
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