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« on: October 25, 2005, 05:31:30 AM »

Bethesda Softworks, aka, the company-that-doesn't-publish-anything-good-except-for-massively-huge-RPGs-and-even-those-are-steadily-getting-worse, has continued in its long tradition of releasing shitty games that aren't a direct sequel to The Elder Scrolls 1: Arena.

That's right, fellow Lovecraftian fanatics.  Bethesda dropped the ball on our beloved Cthulhu.  Apparently bigtime.

The first review score comes from Edge, a British rag that's lauded even in the states as one of the best in the business.  Their score for mighty Cthulhu?

4/10.

That's four.

Not four out of five.

Four out of ten.

The review text isn't up, (guess you'll have to buy the magazine for that), but caveat emptor -- this one looks like a stinker.
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« Reply #1 on: October 25, 2005, 06:04:03 AM »

I remember Gone Golders being hyped out of their skins about this game. Heh.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2005, 11:17:06 AM »

I was hoping this would be good but it's been in development for so long that it started to stink.  Too bad.

And just for clarification - Bethseda is the publisher and not the developer.
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2005, 12:57:07 PM »

Is this Dark Corners of the Earth or the other one?

Edge is a good read, IMO.
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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2005, 01:21:38 PM »

I expect it to be bad.  It was in development forever, lots of design changes popped up late in the cycle, and (although I love consoles) it was switched from PC only to Xbox and PC.
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2005, 02:27:10 PM »

and to boot with the switch.  The X Box version is due in stores today, and the PC version isnt due till March.  What the hell is with that?
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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2005, 03:22:38 PM »

It was always PC and Xbox.  I've been there every year hoping to see this one knock my socks off.  I don't typically trust European rumor mills or reviews, so I'll wait and see with my own eyes.
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2005, 03:23:40 PM »

It's because 3 years isn't enough time to sink a PC game. Look at how long it took Daikatana to make us their bitch. slywink

Oh, and Ron, there's a big misconception in the states.. it's European, not "Yer-a-peein' "  :twisted:
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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2005, 03:38:45 PM »

Eurogamer's review is up.  Here's their conclusion:
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Arriving with almost zero fanfare, it's definitely one of those delightfully slow-burn adventures that will take time to appreciate. Almost to its detriment, it doesn't play its hand early on; if anything, the game takes fully three or four hours before you really start to unravel its charms, and even then it never feels like a game in a hurry. But once the pieces start falling into place, it's abundantly clear that Call of Cthulhu will be picking up a great many admirers among the fans of horror adventures - and who knows, maybe a few of you that never quite 'got' the genre too.

8/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61403

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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2005, 03:50:33 PM »

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Arriving with almost zero fanfare, it's definitely one of those delightfully slow-burn adventures that will take time to appreciate. Almost to its detriment, it doesn't play its hand early on; if anything, the game takes fully three or four hours before you really start to unravel its charms, and even then it never feels like a game in a hurry. But once the pieces start falling into place, it's abundantly clear that Call of Cthulhu will be picking up a great many admirers among the fans of horror adventures - and who knows, maybe a few of you that never quite 'got' the genre too.

8/10

http://www.eurogamer.net/article.php?article_id=61403

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I don't typically trust European rumor mills or reviews, so I'll wait and see with my own eyes.

I'm not wild about most but I've found Eurogamer to be quite solid.


Quite right. I've trusted EuroGamer for a while now and they tend to have similar tastes and opinions as I do. Last time I saw this was at my first and only E3 many moons ago. smile
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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2005, 03:53:35 PM »

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Quite right. I've trusted EuroGamer for a while now and they tend to have similar tastes and opinions as I do. Last time I saw this was at my first and only E3 many moons ago. smile


...and as I recall, you were pretty damned stoked about it.. that and PCSD2 (Pirates of the Caribbean Sea Dogs 2 : The Renaming).
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2005, 04:35:39 PM »

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It was always PC and Xbox.  I've been there every year hoping to see this one knock my socks off.  I don't typically trust European rumor mills or reviews, so I'll wait and see with my own eyes.


Wow, I don't think I've seen someone who runs a 'professional' site sling as much shit as you do towards other gaming publications and sites.

If I might ask, what is wrong with European reviews? Or are you one of those whackjobs who still goes to McDonalds and tries to order Freedom fries?

If Edge and Eurogamer were the New York Times, this place would be Mad magazine.
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2005, 04:59:07 PM »

You couldn't be further from the truth.  Personally, I go out of my way to work with other sites and publications, and I didn't say ALL European sites.  Its just some.  So do me a favor and don't lump me in with the jingoistic nutbags screaming about Freedom Fries.  I didn't say all European sites, I just saying some.
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2005, 05:08:07 PM »

LE, sorry to rain on your "bash anything Bethesda does" parade, but you might want direct your anger to these guys.

http://www.headfirst.co.uk/


Bethesda is NOT the developer of the game. They are the PUBLISHER.

Headfirst are the developers of the game.
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2005, 05:24:38 PM »

Ironically enough I tend to trust to European reviews a lot more then Console Gold's. They tend to be a lot more to my taste.
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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2005, 05:33:01 PM »

*shrug*  You find somebody that is on par with your tastes and you run with em.  Simple as that. smile
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2005, 05:54:01 PM »

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Quite right. I've trusted EuroGamer for a while now and they tend to have similar tastes and opinions as I do. Last time I saw this was at my first and only E3 many moons ago. smile


...and as I recall, you were pretty damned stoked about it.. that and PCSD2 (Pirates of the Caribbean Sea Dogs 2 : The Renaming).


You know, next time I'm in Winnepeg, I'm going to hurt you a lot. Just a friendly heads up. biggrin

I was pretty stoked for Call when I last saw it, but that was a few years ago when it seemed new. Now it seems like old hat, and just dumping it like this doesn't inspire confidence. But I'm open minded enough about the Old Ones where I'll check out the reviews and such.
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2005, 05:58:43 PM »

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LE, sorry to rain on your "bash anything Bethesda does" parade, but you might want direct your anger to these guys.

http://www.headfirst.co.uk/


Bethesda is NOT the developer of the game. They are the PUBLISHER.

Headfirst are the developers of the game.


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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2005, 06:07:39 PM »

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*shrug*  You find somebody that is on par with your tastes and you run with em.  Simple as that. smile


Very true. To be honest the impression threads here and on OO are far more likely to get me to buy a game then most reviews. Looking at the Black and White 2 threads has almost convinced me to buy it, in spite of the bad reviews.

Edited to add in a comment from the comments thread on EG:


'I think you have to have been schooled in pretty old school adventuring to get the most out of this. It's not a game to reveal much of itself for quite some time...a pretty unusual approach these days. ' Krudster.
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« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2005, 06:32:48 PM »

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Bethesda is NOT the developer of the game. They are the PUBLISHER.
Ok.  I'll change a word and my point will remain the same.

Thanks for the semantics lesson.
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« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2005, 07:04:56 PM »

Obviously this is one of those cases where the game just needed a little more time in the oven....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Sorry, couldn't hold it in.  

Anyway, two good reviews (I heard official Xbox UK gave it 8/10 as well), one bad review.  Oh no!  Let the Bethesda bashing begin!! :lol:
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« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2005, 07:35:22 PM »

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Obviously this is one of those cases where the game just needed a little more time in the oven...


I don't.... get... it..?
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« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2005, 07:39:34 PM »

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Obviously this is one of those cases where the game just needed a little more time in the oven....

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAA
Sorry, couldn't hold it in.

I don't get it either.
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« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2005, 07:47:12 PM »

Just saying the game has been in development for an eon, so even hinting that it got pushed out early is hilarious to me (assumption i make when people blame the publisher).  It's had a LOOOOONG and quite storied development, and you will never hear about it smile

Either way, looks like the reviews are skewing positive for the time being.  So does that mean there will be no Bethesda bashing?  :cry:
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« Reply #25 on: October 25, 2005, 08:01:03 PM »

HAHAHAH I heard about it noobs!! I know more than you!! SNAP!!

OH noes!! And seriously, LE, man, get a goddamn grip. They are the US publisher for the game, have let it sit for a long damn time after it was originally supposed to be out, and Eurogamer, one of my most respected review sites gave it a solid 8. Could we at least wait a couple days before getting hysterical?
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« Reply #26 on: October 25, 2005, 08:21:21 PM »

I got it Kathode.
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« Reply #27 on: October 25, 2005, 08:41:01 PM »

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Ok.  I'll change a word and my point will remain the same.

Thanks for the semantics lesson.


Bethesda's already been in it for millions, at this point it needs to go to market. Maybe they should have dropped the game two years ago at a loss; instead they gambled. As it turns out it may not be a horrible stinker ... mediocre, perhaps, but not such an abysmal failure that it deserves 'bashing'. I mean, 80% ain't bad.

It's not a semantics lesson; that would be teaching people to quible about little things. Millions of dollars, from my perspective, isn't little.
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« Reply #28 on: October 25, 2005, 09:10:20 PM »

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Bethesda's already been in it for millions, at this point it needs to go to market. Maybe they should have dropped the game two years ago at a loss; instead they gambled. As it turns out it may not be a horrible stinker ... mediocre, perhaps, but not such an abysmal failure that it deserves 'bashing'.

Well, when I saw 4/10, I was pretty sure reviews would continue in that vein -- I mean, 4/10 is such a bad score from a reputable source that you can't help but assume something's intrinsically wrong with the game.

And you're right, it was market time for sure.  Unfortuantely, that doesn't apologize for the game if it turns out to suck.

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I mean, 80% ain't bad.

67% when you factor in Edge's 4/10.  But yeah, maybe it's not as crappy as Edge would suggest (keeping fingers crossed, the world needs a good Lovecraftian game, Eternal Darkness, awesome as it was, just wasn't enough!)

Does it set warning alarms off in anyone else's head that this game has gotten next to no advertising or hype, despite launching this week?  I mean, I'd not notice that if it were a title from a smaller publisher, but when it's from Bethesda, (who even trumpeted up the atrocious Sea Dogs 2/Pirates of the Caribbean), it's like they know something's wrong with it, and just want to cut their losses and move on.
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« Reply #29 on: October 25, 2005, 10:00:00 PM »

Could be, but the game has been in development for 6 years, I think they want to cut losses in general.  Plus, those who want to buy it, the Cthulu crowd, either already know about it, will find out from other people, or already plan to buy it.

That's me being optimistic, though.  I suspect with the way the scores are jumping back and forth, the game is good but with some dated mechanics and bad technical problems.
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« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2005, 10:11:03 PM »

I got it. Impressions soon!
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« Reply #31 on: October 25, 2005, 11:56:30 PM »

Don't forget 2K Games is co-publisher.  How about some hate/love for them as well, huh? smile
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« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2005, 12:16:48 AM »

LE, I see your point on the 4/10 thing, you were going with information that was available at the time from a reasonably reliable source.

I think you were a little heavy handed which did a lovely job of bringing up peoples pressure.

Good job, buddy. slywink

I'm hoping the 4/10 review is one nut-job who just didn't care to try and understand the game; judging games on technical merit alone seems wrong, but on the other hand judging artistic value is a crapshoot at best.
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It was always PC and Xbox. I've been there every year hoping to see this one knock my socks off. I don't typically trust European rumor mills or reviews, so I'll wait and see with my own eyes.

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Wow, I don't think I've seen someone who runs a 'professional' site sling as much shit as you do towards other gaming publications and sites.

If I might ask, what is wrong with European reviews? Or are you one of those whackjobs who still goes to McDonalds and tries to order Freedom fries?

If Edge and Eurogamer were the New York Times, this place would be Mad magazine.

Am I missing something?  Is this some kind of inside joke that I missed, or did everyone else skim past this? WTF?  :evil:

I wish I had a memory, maybe that would answer my question, but just in case you meant it, angrycoder:  if you think this professional site and our esteemed Director are so verrry bad, why don't you just leave?  Nothing personal, just wondering...  :angry:
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« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2005, 12:26:35 AM »

And if this were Mad magazine, then it'd at least be worth picking up.

As I understand it, the staff aren't paid all that well. They're here cuz they LIKE it. This is their long-term effort with a perk or two (reviewing new games once in a while).

If Ron wants to spout shit about other sites / mags, etc... it ain't gonna hurt his "business model" if you take offence to it. I'm sure it wasn't meant as a jab though; he replied to the critique on page one. (which is why I left it alone, myto)

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« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2005, 12:31:03 AM »

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« Reply #36 on: October 27, 2005, 12:48:51 AM »

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Just saying the game has been in development for an eon, so even hinting that it got pushed out early is hilarious to me (assumption i make when people blame the publisher).  It's had a LOOOOONG and quite storied development, and you will never hear about it smile

Ah - I knew it had been in development for some time... didn't realize it had been *that* long.
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Yeah, LE,

I saw the same thing, but I thought maybe there was some inside joke I missed, or Ron was being too honorable, lol.  I thought angrycoder came on way too strong for that little comment, EVEN if Ron had meant it the way coder took it, IMO.  Maybe not, but oh well. As it turns out, we all had bigger fish to fry last night anyway.  :shock:
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« Reply #38 on: October 27, 2005, 01:15:58 AM »

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Yeah, LE,

I saw the same thing, but I thought maybe there was some inside joke I missed, or Ron was being too honorable, lol.  I thought angrycoder came on way too strong for that little comment, EVEN if Ron had meant it the way coder took it, IMO.  Maybe not, but oh well. As it turns out, we all had bigger fish to fry last night anyway.  :shock:
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« Reply #39 on: October 27, 2005, 01:23:53 AM »

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And if this were Mad magazine, then it'd at least be worth picking up.

As I understand it, the staff aren't paid all that well. They're here cuz they LIKE it. This is their long-term effort with a perk or two (reviewing new games once in a while).

If Ron wants to spout shit about other sites / mags, etc... it ain't gonna hurt his "business model" if you take offence to it. I'm sure it wasn't meant as a jab though; he replied to the critique on page one. (which is why I left it alone, myto)

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