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« on: November 16, 2004, 11:39:43 AM »

I know you are all giddy over Half Life 2, but don't forget Vampire!  We have our review on the front page....hit me with your questions fledglings!
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« Reply #1 on: November 16, 2004, 12:19:30 PM »

Where can I buy this game?
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« Reply #2 on: November 16, 2004, 12:23:36 PM »

Anywhere today.  EB, Best Buy, Comp USA.  You could also order it through the GoGamer link on the front page.
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« Reply #3 on: November 16, 2004, 01:17:41 PM »

How long is it?

I'm going to go against the majority right out of the gate and say I hope it's relatively short.
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« Reply #4 on: November 16, 2004, 01:34:05 PM »

How much Gore is in it?
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« Reply #5 on: November 16, 2004, 01:37:39 PM »

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How long is it?


I hear 40-60 hours.

Knightshade,

I can tell you enjoyed it by your review, but it has also left me with a couple of concerns.

I realize that there are many different ways to go about tasks, but how is the balance between Combat and Roleplay, if I was to play a more physical character? I'd just like to know if you need to "FedEx" for 30 minutes to get to a 30 second fight.

How big is the world? I keep seeing the term 'Hub' and for some reason it makes me think of tiny zones that you could run across in 2 minutes with lots of loading between them all.

Are you sure it's out today and not tomorrow?  smile

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Oh Yeah! What Rob asked too!  :lol:
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« Reply #6 on: November 16, 2004, 01:50:14 PM »

That is correct, 60 hours is what Q&A is taking to run through the primary plot thread and they know where to go.  This game is not short by any stretch.

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I realize that there are many different ways to go about tasks, but how is the balance between Combat and Roleplay, if I was to play a more physical character? I'd just like to know if you need to "FedEx" for 30 minutes to get to a 30 second fight.

Well, the game is geared primarily towards RPG it seems, but you can certainly brute force and intimidate your way through the game.  I won't spoil it for you, but you end up in a Sabbat warehouse that you have to blow up.  This mission was absolutely action oriented and there was no way to 'silver-tongue' your way out of it.  You better get good with stealth, claws, or my choice - the shotgun - really really quick.  
By the way, don't think that the missions are all FedEx, they aren't by any stretch.  The early ones start out that way so you can learn about the area you are in, but those fade away pretty quick. The missions I'm in are fairly involved, or look simple then become very involved.

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How big is the world? I keep seeing the term 'Hub' and for some reason it makes me think of tiny zones that you could run across in 2 minutes with lots of loading between them all.

The world is pretty big.  Each hub has about 15 buildings that you can enter if you have the right gear (lockpick, hacking, a key, etc.) or you are supposed to be there.  In the beginning there are a lot of places that you'll just have to come back to later.  As you gain reasons to leave Santa Monica and go to Downtown LA you can catch a cab and travel freely between them. (or use the sewers if you prefer or if you are Nosferatu)  There isn't much loading outside, if at all (one area had one side-zone that had to load briefly) but entering buildings is a mandatory few-second load.  Its very abbreviated and the game is compelling enough to keep me from noticing too much.  Of course, your mileage may vary.

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It 'ships' today but most stores already have it.  So they will 'ship' it from the back room to the shelf.  smile
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« Reply #7 on: November 16, 2004, 01:55:51 PM »

Do you guys get an affiliate cut off of front page links?
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« Reply #8 on: November 16, 2004, 02:03:25 PM »

Oh man, I've gotta choose between this or Half Life 2 on the same week?!  Not fair!
It's a big dilemma, but right now Vampire is slowly winning my vote.  I've been waiting forever for this and the good review makes the wait even sweeter.
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« Reply #9 on: November 16, 2004, 02:09:54 PM »

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Yes, we do.
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« Reply #10 on: November 16, 2004, 02:36:51 PM »

Can you send me a free copy?  Tongue
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« Reply #11 on: November 16, 2004, 02:53:45 PM »

Due to Troika's history with huge freaking bugs I think it is fair to ask....did you encounter any?  

I love their games but until someone specifically addresses this issue I will wait for user/player reviews.
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« Reply #12 on: November 16, 2004, 03:02:47 PM »

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Due to Troika's history with huge freaking bugs I think it is fair to ask....did you encounter any?

I mentioned a few in the review itself.  Nothing showstopper, but there are some graphic and AI glitches and balance issues that crop up.
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« Reply #13 on: November 16, 2004, 03:18:17 PM »

Ron,

In order to get as much outta the game as possible, would you recommend getting the strategy guide to find all the hidden quests, or are things in the hubs small enough that with enough exploration, I can find anything the game can offer?
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« Reply #14 on: November 16, 2004, 03:50:09 PM »

How are the Nosferatu implemented?  The previews say that you'll break the Masquerade if you're seen by regular people...  how challenging is this to deal with, and do you know if you can't do certain quests because of it?
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« Reply #15 on: November 16, 2004, 03:56:00 PM »

I know it's an rpg, but it sounds pretty open-ended.
Can you run around the city and do what you want?
I don't want to run out and buy it if you're stuck to a story the entire time.
I think it would be a lot more interesting just exploring the city.
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« Reply #16 on: November 16, 2004, 03:58:08 PM »

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In order to get as much outta the game as possible, would you recommend getting the strategy guide to find all the hidden quests, or are things in the hubs small enough that with enough exploration, I can find anything the game can offer?

Normally I'd say pass on the strategy guides but this game has so much going on that I plan on picking one up.  The hubs aren't really that small.  Santa Monica isn't very big, but its the beginning area.  As you unlock more quests through talking to the right people or accomplishing goals it expands pretty quickly.  Downtown is pretty big and it only gets bigger from there.
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« Reply #17 on: November 16, 2004, 04:00:29 PM »

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How are the Nosferatu implemented? The previews say that you'll break the Masquerade if you're seen by regular people... how challenging is this to deal with, and do you know if you can't do certain quests because of it?

Crap, I knew I forgot something in my review.  I'll amend this in -

The Nosferatu are difficult to play as they cannot roam freely among the humans.  They have to rely on invisibility and sewers/shadows to not break The Masquerade.  On top of that, you also have an additional positional 'radar' system that will tell you when people are near so you can avoid them.

As for not being able to accomplish certain quests, there are a few that you have to be out in the open for, but they get quests that you wouldn't otherwise get, so it balances.
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« Reply #18 on: November 16, 2004, 04:03:19 PM »

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I know it's an rpg, but it sounds pretty open-ended.
Can you run around the city and do what you want?
I don't want to run out and buy it if you're stuck to a story the entire time.
I think it would be a lot more interesting just exploring the city.


You can explore the city all you like and there are a ton of side missions that are complely voluntary and can be accomplished in any order, or you can skip em alltogether if that's your will.
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« Reply #19 on: November 16, 2004, 04:21:27 PM »

Alright, thanks. I'm not a big RPG person. I like the idea of gaining experience and skills, but not being stuck to a specific path.
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« Reply #20 on: November 16, 2004, 04:25:01 PM »

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How are the Nosferatu implemented? The previews say that you'll break the Masquerade if you're seen by regular people... how challenging is this to deal with, and do you know if you can't do certain quests because of it?

Crap, I knew I forgot something in my review.  I'll amend this in -

The Nosferatu are difficult to play as they cannot roam freely among the humans.  They have to rely on invisibility and sewers/shadows to not break The Masquerade.  On top of that, you also have an additional positional 'radar' system that will tell you when people are near so you can avoid them.

As for not being able to accomplish certain quests, there are a few that you have to be out in the open for, but they get quests that you wouldn't otherwise get, so it balances.


Interesting...  I was wondering how that would be done...  sounds like there is a lot of replayability with the different factions...  *sigh* looks like I'm stopping at EB on the way home from work.

60 hours of rpg goodness sounds like heaven.

EDIT: And congrats on being the only people to have a review out on this game yet.
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« Reply #21 on: November 16, 2004, 04:33:08 PM »

Hey, thanks! smile  That's a cool feeling at that.
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« Reply #22 on: November 16, 2004, 04:58:05 PM »

To anyone who has picked this up, how much was it?
After spending $54 on HL2, if this is not much cheaper, I may have to wait for it to go on sale.
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« Reply #23 on: November 16, 2004, 05:10:30 PM »

Lookinf forward to playing this one almost every bit as much as HL2. It will be  the next game to hit my hard drive smile
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« Reply #24 on: November 16, 2004, 05:12:01 PM »

I wonder if my pre-order from GoGamer has shipped?

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Nope.  Not even started processing yet.   frown

I may have to run to EB, buy the game, then return the copy GoGamer sends me.
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« Reply #25 on: November 16, 2004, 05:19:47 PM »

It looks like a lot of places won't get it until tomorrow.  Haven't bothered to call my local EB yet...  think I'll swing by and just think happy thoughts.
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« Reply #26 on: November 16, 2004, 05:37:37 PM »

Local EB says tomorrow in Tampa,FL.
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« Reply #27 on: November 16, 2004, 06:11:08 PM »

Holy crap!  After being burnt by the first Vampire game I had written this one off.  Now I'll be snagging it when I pick up my HL2 preorder.  Thanks alot!  smile
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« Reply #28 on: November 16, 2004, 06:17:10 PM »

Great review. Changed my decision from "pick it up sometime" to "get it before the weekend" -- and I don't normally get games upon initial release.
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« Reply #29 on: November 16, 2004, 06:31:38 PM »

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Hey, thanks! smile  That's a cool feeling at that.

Looking at GoGamer's Vampire page is pretty impressive: Linky

I love it that a site called ConsoleGold has the only review of the PC only Vampire: Bloodlines game.

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« Reply #30 on: November 16, 2004, 06:46:12 PM »

Well now there is another review out by Next Level Gaming, whoever they are. They gave it a 90%. This game looks like a must buy.
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« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2004, 07:48:31 PM »

I was trying to hold off on this one (I've been secretely hoping the game was bad) but after reading the review I'll be picking it up by the end of the week.  

I enjoyed the first game and think it's one of the more under rated games even though it had it's problems.
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« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2004, 07:52:19 PM »

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I was trying to hold off on this one (I've been secretely hoping the game was bad) but after reading the review I'll be picking it up by the end of the week.  

I enjoyed the first game and think it's one of the more under rated games even though it had it's problems.


Ditto on the first Vampire game.  It was a great game with some serious flaws.  I enjoyed it immensly despite my realization of it's short comings.  The story teller mode was very flawed but still pretty darn cool for its time.  An interesting pre-cursor to NWN.

I am debating taking my HL2 copy back unopened and trading it in for this game.  If it comes out tomorrow I will be able to resist for one day but if it comes out next week I will have to buy both games.   Tongue
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« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2004, 09:27:48 PM »

I'm too lazy to read this thread or the review, but personally i think vampires suck.
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« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2004, 09:35:09 PM »

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One page?  Man...short 'review'.
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« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2004, 10:32:18 PM »

So has anyone seen it on the shelves anywhere?  My EB said today, yesterday...but no dice, tomorrow is what they are saying now.

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« Reply #36 on: November 16, 2004, 11:14:30 PM »

"and the detail simply defies explanation."   Defies explanation? or do you mean description, hehe.  :?
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« Reply #37 on: November 17, 2004, 12:15:18 AM »

I'm wondering why the large sites don't have reviews out yet.  They're probably all playing HL2.
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« Reply #38 on: November 17, 2004, 12:54:43 AM »

Not released in my area yet.
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« Reply #39 on: November 17, 2004, 12:55:35 AM »

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I'm liking being the only kid on the block.  smile
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