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« on: March 26, 2007, 06:49:47 PM »

Looks like the PS3 has become UK's fastest selling console (beating the Wii).  I guess its not all doom and gloom for Sony...
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« Reply #1 on: March 26, 2007, 06:53:08 PM »

That can't possibily be. We all know that the PS3 has been a huge failure in every single country. It's just more Sony spin. Nothing to see here....

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« Reply #2 on: March 26, 2007, 06:55:55 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 06:53:08 PM

That can't possibily be. We all know that the PS3 has been a huge failure in every single country. It's just more Sony spin. Nothing to see here....

There you have it folks, from Mr.PS3 himself! Tongue
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« Reply #3 on: March 26, 2007, 06:58:05 PM »

And it should, its  a nice console with only two hurdles. Price, and game availabilty. Once those two problems are fixed it should do well.
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« Reply #4 on: March 26, 2007, 06:59:47 PM »

Quote from: javahead on March 26, 2007, 06:55:55 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 06:53:08 PM

That can't possibily be. We all know that the PS3 has been a huge failure in every single country. It's just more Sony spin. Nothing to see here....

There you have it folks, from Mr.PS3 himself! Tongue

Just getting that out of the way and heading off the avalanche of posts that were sure to claim that....   Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 PM »

This would be news if not for this:

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Both Nintendo and Microsoft struggled to meet demand with their consoles, leading to stock shortages

So it's clearly not that the system is so great, it's that it's on shelves.  Had Nintendo or MS had more on shelves, this would be another Sony can't keep up story.
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« Reply #6 on: March 26, 2007, 07:17:09 PM »

Quote from: ATB on March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 PM

This would be news if not for this:

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Both Nintendo and Microsoft struggled to meet demand with their consoles, leading to stock shortages

So it's clearly not that the system is so great, it's that it's on shelves.  Had Nintendo or MS had more on shelves, this would be another Sony can't keep up story.

True.  The secondary market's fallen through.  You'd think these guys would have learned from the other launches:

http://technology.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/tech_and_web/gadgets_and_gaming/article1570153.ece
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« Reply #7 on: March 26, 2007, 07:17:58 PM »

Quote from: ATB on March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 PM

This would be news if not for this:

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Both Nintendo and Microsoft struggled to meet demand with their consoles, leading to stock shortages

So it's clearly not that the system is so great, it's that it's on shelves.  Had Nintendo or MS had more on shelves, this would be another Sony can't keep up story.

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That didn't take long! You guys spun this into a negative so fast my head is still spinning with the implications!

Sony has the fastest selling console system ever, but it's not so great. This is comedy gold.  icon_biggrin
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« Reply #8 on: March 26, 2007, 07:20:33 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:17:58 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 PM

This would be news if not for this:

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Both Nintendo and Microsoft struggled to meet demand with their consoles, leading to stock shortages

So it's clearly not that the system is so great, it's that it's on shelves.  Had Nintendo or MS had more on shelves, this would be another Sony can't keep up story.

 icon_lol

That didn't take long! You guys spun this into a negative so fast my head is still spinning with the implications!

Just wanted to show it could be done.  True as it may be.
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« Reply #9 on: March 26, 2007, 07:22:08 PM »

Oh and I'm not biasedninja
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« Reply #10 on: March 26, 2007, 07:22:54 PM »

there has been concern though that the shops here still have plenty of stock..which i suppose is good for those who didnt get one on launch day
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« Reply #11 on: March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM »

Quote from: metallicorphan on March 26, 2007, 07:22:54 PM

there has been concern though that the shops here still have plenty of stock..which i suppose is good for those who didnt get one on launch day

Exactly. People thought because that there is still stock left, that it was a failure, which is not anywhere near being true. Sony just made a great move getting all that stock over there. I personally am amazed that it did as well as it did, due to the outrageous price. Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.
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« Reply #12 on: March 26, 2007, 07:29:06 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

They just lost lots of money.

Fixed.

Aren't they losing money on each one sold? <giggle>

I'm just playing, Hetz. 
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« Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 07:31:07 PM »

Quote from: ATB on March 26, 2007, 07:29:06 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

They just lost lots of money.

Fixed.

Aren't they losing money on each one sold? <giggle>

I'm just playing, Hetz. 

In America yes, in Europe...no. By removing the back compat chip and jacking up the price....they should be actually making a profit on these.
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« Reply #14 on: March 26, 2007, 07:31:22 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.

Are you implying that Sony makes a profit on PAL PS3s?
Also it is great that Sony was able to sell 160,000 PS3s.  Unfortunately for them they shipped 220,000. 

It is also great that they were able to ship 220,000.  Unfortunately they had to delay the European launch to do it.

Any good news concerning the PS3 is great for Sony at this point I guess.
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« Reply #15 on: March 26, 2007, 07:33:55 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on March 26, 2007, 07:31:22 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.

Are you implying that Sony makes a profit on PAL PS3s?

Just curious.  Also it is great that Sony was able to 160,000 PS3s.  Unfortunately for them they shipped 220,000. 

It is also great that they were able to ship 220,000.  Unfortunatlly they had to delay the European launch to do it.

Any good news concerning the PS3 is great for Sony at this point I guess.

The sustained sales over the first couple months will be revealing - because the Wii and 360 were supply constrained, you can see when they finally exceeded peak demand as units actually stayed on shelves (correction:  when the 360 exceeded it, as the Wii is apparently still hard to find).  The PS3 has already exceeded it, so we should see sales stay at a constant level or drop-off month-over-month until exclusive games hit and give it a bump.
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« Reply #16 on: March 26, 2007, 07:35:55 PM »

Quote from: denoginizer on March 26, 2007, 07:31:22 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.

Are you implying that Sony makes a profit on PAL PS3s?
Also it is great that Sony was able to 160,000 PS3s.  Unfortunately for them they shipped 220,000. 

It is also great that they were able to ship 220,000.  Unfortunatlly they had to delay the European launch to do it.

Any good news concerning the PS3 is great for Sony at this point I guess.

Uhh...yes. Unless you think it costs them more to make the PS3 over there with less in them? They removed the chip to cut costs. They also charged $837.20 for the PS3 over there. I would say they are most likely making a small profit on them now, since costs continue to go down for all the hardware that is inside.
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« Reply #17 on: March 26, 2007, 07:36:13 PM »

Quote from: Brendan on March 26, 2007, 07:33:55 PM

The sustained sales over the first couple months will be revealing - because the Wii and 360 were supply constrained, you can see when they finally exceeded peak demand as units actually stayed on shelves (correction:  when the 360 exceeded it, as the Wii is apparently still hard to find).

Exactly and good for Sony.  But it's not spin when it's fact.  Due to their non-simultaneous worldwide launch, good supply lines and, let's face it, slow sales in North America Sony had a lot of time to build up stock for this launch.  Hopefully sales will maintain a solid level for them but the telling point will come after the few couple months of sales...and then of course this holiday season when some big name games hit shelves.
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« Reply #18 on: March 26, 2007, 07:37:05 PM »

Great - glad the user-base is getting larger.  When Resistance launches it's UK server, I'll definitely be hopping on there.  For whatever reason, UK gamers are more polite than US ones, I've found.

Go go PS3 biggrin
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« Reply #19 on: March 26, 2007, 07:39:56 PM »

Quote from: Jancelot on March 26, 2007, 07:36:13 PM

Quote from: Brendan on March 26, 2007, 07:33:55 PM

The sustained sales over the first couple months will be revealing - because the Wii and 360 were supply constrained, you can see when they finally exceeded peak demand as units actually stayed on shelves (correction:  when the 360 exceeded it, as the Wii is apparently still hard to find).

Exactly and good for Sony.  But it's not spin when it's fact.  Due to their non-simultaneous worldwide launch, good supply lines and, let's face it, slow sales in North America Sony had a lot of time to build up stock for this launch.  Hopefully sales will maintain a solid level for them but the telling point will come after the few couple months of sales...and then of course this holiday season when some big name games hit shelves.

I would've titled this thread "Sony becomes first console to fail to sell initial stock release in the UK." slywink
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« Reply #20 on: March 26, 2007, 07:42:36 PM »

Quote from: Dimmona on March 26, 2007, 06:49:47 PM

Looks like the PS3 has become UK's fastest selling console (beating the Wii).  I guess its not all doom and gloom for Sony...

Hey that's great that it's doing well in the UK, I really do want this to be a 3 console race generation and this should help Sony. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like the PS3 is selling too well in all parts of Europe.

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According to French news site LCI, the PS3 launch at the Eiffel Tower was a complete bust with only 40 fans showing up to be the first to buy a PlayStation 3. Of the thousand units available, only approximately 50 were sold in less than 15 minutes and then the floating “store” closed up shop.

Link: http://wham.canoe.ca/ps3/2007/03/23/3814132-ca.html.

There's also some humorous content in rest of this article about the local Paris 360 marketing teams' attempts to disrupt the event.
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« Reply #21 on: March 26, 2007, 07:45:45 PM »

To be fair, I imagine many Parisians had trouble finding the store.

"At the bottom of what?  The what tower?"
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« Reply #22 on: March 26, 2007, 07:47:52 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 26, 2007, 07:42:36 PM

Quote from: Dimmona on March 26, 2007, 06:49:47 PM

Looks like the PS3 has become UK's fastest selling console (beating the Wii).  I guess its not all doom and gloom for Sony...

Hey that's great that it's doing well in the UK, I really do want this to be a 3 console race generation and this should help Sony. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like the PS3 is selling too well in all parts of Europe.

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According to French news site LCI, the PS3 launch at the Eiffel Tower was a complete bust with only 40 fans showing up to be the first to buy a PlayStation 3. Of the thousand units available, only approximately 50 were sold in less than 15 minutes and then the floating “store” closed up shop.

Link: http://wham.canoe.ca/ps3/2007/03/23/3814132-ca.html.


Well that's too bad.  icon_frown
I agree that the market as a whole will be ripe for consumers with all three consoles playing the game (no pun intended), and the PS3 really does seem to be a sweet machine. I just can't afford $500 for a console.
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« Reply #23 on: March 26, 2007, 07:52:16 PM »

Quote from: javahead on March 26, 2007, 07:47:52 PM

I just can't afford $500 for a console.

I can, but nobody stocks the $500 version and according to itrackr haven't since about christmas.
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« Reply #24 on: March 26, 2007, 07:57:24 PM »

Quote from: coopasonic on March 26, 2007, 07:52:16 PM

Quote from: javahead on March 26, 2007, 07:47:52 PM

I just can't afford $500 for a console.

I can, but nobody stocks the $500 version and according to itrackr haven't since about christmas.

I was told by a local EB Manager -a very strong fan of the PS3- that the 20 GB PS3 has officially been cancelled for distribution in Canada. I'm not sure if this is also the case for the US, but I wouldn't be surprised.
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« Reply #25 on: March 26, 2007, 08:02:10 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 26, 2007, 07:57:24 PM

I was told by a local EB Manager -a very strong fan of the PS3- that the 20 GB PS3 has officially been cancelled for distribution in Canada. I'm not sure if this is also the case for the US, but I wouldn't be surprised.

Seems like they're consolidating SKUs then, given that that's the only version shipping in the PAL regions.  Weird that they haven't announced anything though - maybe they're worried about alienating customers who've already purchased the 20gb SKU.
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« Reply #26 on: March 26, 2007, 08:15:50 PM »

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To be fair, I imagine many Parisians had trouble finding the store.

"At the bottom of what?  The what tower?"

this was really, really funny
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« Reply #27 on: March 26, 2007, 08:16:26 PM »

Quote from: kronovan on March 26, 2007, 07:42:36 PM

Quote from: Dimmona on March 26, 2007, 06:49:47 PM

Looks like the PS3 has become UK's fastest selling console (beating the Wii).  I guess its not all doom and gloom for Sony...

Hey that's great that it's doing well in the UK, I really do want this to be a 3 console race generation and this should help Sony. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like the PS3 is selling too well in all parts of Europe.

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According to French news site LCI, the PS3 launch at the Eiffel Tower was a complete bust with only 40 fans showing up to be the first to buy a PlayStation 3. Of the thousand units available, only approximately 50 were sold in less than 15 minutes and then the floating “store” closed up shop.

Link: http://wham.canoe.ca/ps3/2007/03/23/3814132-ca.html.

There's also some humorous content in rest of this article about the local Paris 360 marketing teams' attempts to disrupt the event.


Ahhh...yes.



Once again, since the reporting was oh so good over in the UK about the failure of the console...I'll wait for official numbers. Thanks.
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« Reply #28 on: March 26, 2007, 08:41:30 PM »

Looks like it is doing very well in all of Europe as well....

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Reliable sources from people working at SCEE claim that in 3 days more than 550,000 PS3 were sold in Europe, making it the best launch there ever.
It took 5 months for the PS2 to sell that number, and 1 year for the PS1.

Of course, the PS3 is still failing etc...etc....

I'm expecting to see this shortly on various news sites....

"PS3 Europe Launch Breaks Record, Kotaku On Suicide Watch"

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« Reply #29 on: March 26, 2007, 09:34:47 PM »



That just happened to my Xbox 360.
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« Reply #30 on: March 26, 2007, 09:40:15 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:35:55 PM

Unless you think it costs them more to make the PS3 over there with less in them? They removed the chip to cut costs. They also charged $837.20 for the PS3 over there. I would say they are most likely making a small profit on them now, since costs continue to go down for all the hardware that is inside.

No, they don't mfgr PS3s in europe... the extra cost are all shipping; it's very expensive to train monkeys to swim west from japan with ps3 crates on their back (plus they're heavy) and swim around the americas.

If only they had splurged on arctic dry-suits, they could have cut some corners and reduced shipping times.
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« Reply #31 on: March 26, 2007, 09:46:19 PM »

Purge's totally correct.

At Microsoft, we saved costs by repurposing truffle pigs to snuffle out all of the Xbox 360s that grow under the roots of oak trees.  They're all grown in Belgium and shipped off to other countries.  The new 360 is better bred, and actually comes from a forest that spans the Belgian/German border.  Supply is limited at the moment because of legal concerns associated with cross-border pig crossings.

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« Reply #32 on: March 26, 2007, 09:49:21 PM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:35:55 PM

Quote from: denoginizer on March 26, 2007, 07:31:22 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.

Are you implying that Sony makes a profit on PAL PS3s?
Also it is great that Sony was able to 160,000 PS3s.  Unfortunately for them they shipped 220,000. 

It is also great that they were able to ship 220,000.  Unfortunatlly they had to delay the European launch to do it.

Any good news concerning the PS3 is great for Sony at this point I guess.

Uhh...yes. Unless you think it costs them more to make the PS3 over there with less in them? They removed the chip to cut costs. They also charged $837.20 for the PS3 over there. I would say they are most likely making a small profit on them now, since costs continue to go down for all the hardware that is inside.

Isn't VAT something like 15% over there?  So that's like $125.00 of that. 
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« Reply #33 on: March 26, 2007, 10:56:18 PM »

Well it would seem like the dismal turnout for launch night isn't indicative of actual demand. Maybe those wacky Europeans are just too sophisticated to stand in lines at midnight for a game console! I wonder if the actual sales numbers in Australia are better than launch night would have indicated as well...?
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« Reply #34 on: March 26, 2007, 11:44:29 PM »

Hell ya, PS Triple!
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« Reply #35 on: March 27, 2007, 01:21:15 AM »

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:17:58 PM

Quote from: ATB on March 26, 2007, 07:15:42 PM

This would be news if not for this:

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Both Nintendo and Microsoft struggled to meet demand with their consoles, leading to stock shortages

So it's clearly not that the system is so great, it's that it's on shelves.  Had Nintendo or MS had more on shelves, this would be another Sony can't keep up story.

 icon_lol

That didn't take long! You guys spun this into a negative so fast my head is still spinning with the implications!

Sony has the fastest selling console system ever, but it's not so great. This is comedy gold.  icon_biggrin

Actually, an analyst said almost VERBATIM what ATB said, so its not like his opinion is off the wall. Seems to me it makes sense that if option a and option b aren't available, that option c, since it is available, then becomes viable. Didn't you take Economics in college? icon_wink

I'm glad though, competition in gaming is only gonna make it better for gamers.
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« Reply #36 on: March 27, 2007, 01:49:47 AM »

First I want a PS3, especially before they take the old hardware out so I can play some PS2 games I have sitting on the shelf. I like what I see coming up in the future, and I am not talking about R&C, FF-whatever and Metal Gear I think I've played this same game 3 times before. I am talking about games like LBP and Uncharted: Drake's Fortune. I think stuff like that will make PS3 more compelling, not series re-treads.

Okay, with that out of the way:

Launch week really means nothing. PS3 sold pretty well its first couple of weeks here in the states. However, NDP shows that the demand fell off.

I commend the PS3 on a great launch, the date they chose pretty much guaranteed a poor first day turnout and the subsequent bad press. The key is how many more units they move over the first three months. If it ends up anything like the states it won't be good. So let's not be quick to bash the system's performance over there, and let's sit back and see.
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« Reply #37 on: March 27, 2007, 05:27:17 AM »

okay,i have to post this as it made me giggle(and please dont take offense Hetz)....ASDA in Manchester,where i live(ASDA is owned by Wal-mart)opened their doors midnight...and they sold 3 all day,LOL
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« Reply #38 on: March 27, 2007, 06:22:34 AM »

Quote from: Louis Cypher on March 26, 2007, 11:44:29 PM

Hell ya, PS Triple!

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« Reply #39 on: March 27, 2007, 07:27:54 AM »

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Quote from: denoginizer on March 26, 2007, 07:31:22 PM

Quote from: Hetz on March 26, 2007, 07:26:13 PM

Kudos to Sony though. They just made a lot of money.

Are you implying that Sony makes a profit on PAL PS3s?
Also it is great that Sony was able to 160,000 PS3s.  Unfortunately for them they shipped 220,000. 

It is also great that they were able to ship 220,000.  Unfortunatlly they had to delay the European launch to do it.

Any good news concerning the PS3 is great for Sony at this point I guess.

Uhh...yes. Unless you think it costs them more to make the PS3 over there with less in them? They removed the chip to cut costs. They also charged $837.20 for the PS3 over there. I would say they are most likely making a small profit on them now, since costs continue to go down for all the hardware that is inside.

Isn't VAT something like 15% over there?  So that's like $125.00 of that. 


i think we pay VAT 17.5% last time i checked...we also pay an extra £10 over on the games(games cost about £40-£50 here)..but the way that we got the delayed launch,and the BC chip ripped out,it really does piss me off..i wouldnt of minded as much if we got the ps3 the same time and in the same condition as you guys...but as a lot of the times,we got screwed.....just like those damn burger king games i am still waiting for...maybe Maccy Ds,can do some cool games
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