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Arnold Yim
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« on: October 11, 2004, 09:24:31 AM »

So I finally got my copy of Sacrifice back from my brother after, oh, two years :-)  It's as fun as I remember it, if not just as hard.  I stopped playing the first time around, since Pyro's wizards were too d*mn tough after the 4th or 5th level.


I realized that I still suck lol.

I need some serious help.  Anyone remember their strategies with this game?  

1.  Do you have a specific order of missions that you do in order to get certain monsters and spells?  I did charnel first to get his scythes and fallen creatures(I love them), but then I have been with James for the next 4 missions. . . I like rocks :-)  His spells suck though.

2.  Any strategies in formations/attack strategies/combined arms makeup?  I tend to have phalanx formation for archer types, I tend to use mostly archer types, and I usually go for 2 expensive(3 soul) units instead of 6 cheap (1 soul ) units.  Good or bad?

3.  Do u use guardians at all?  They seem useless, since it lowers your fighting force, and any wizard with a couple guys can kill them and convert them before I can reach the manalith anyways. . .

4.  I usually go for 2 manahours and 2 manaliths, and then concentrate on killing the opposing wizards army and converting, before I finally go after his altar.  I tend not to go after his manaliths unless it's on the way.  Is that a decent strategy?

Thx for any tips and reading my long *ss post :-)
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« Reply #1 on: October 11, 2004, 09:45:00 AM »

I just respect whomever actually does play Sacrifice.  I tried to get into it awhile back, just couldn't.  I like the idea and I wish I were somewhat good at those types of games.  Though, it's almost in a genre of its own.  Good luck with those strats   biggrin
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« Reply #2 on: October 11, 2004, 09:58:47 AM »

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I just respect whomever actually does play Sacrifice.  I tried to get into it awhile back, just couldn't.  I like the idea and I wish I were somewhat good at those types of games.  Though, it's almost in a genre of its own.  Good luck with those strats   :D


Ooh, I never said I was good at these types of games.  Heck, I never said I was decent lol.  I'm mostly a turn based strategy gamer ala MOO and EU, with an ocassional appetite for CS/DoD :-)

I have no idea what type of game Sacrifice falls under. . .
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« Reply #3 on: October 11, 2004, 10:36:55 AM »

Sacrifice old?! In years perhaps, but not in concept!
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Do you have a specific order of missions that you do in order to get certain monsters and spells?

No, I just played 5 times through, once for each god. That's difficult only for Stratos, as his units are so weak. And you'll miss a few events that way.

If you find yourself in trouble, you should definitely get Rainbow from Persephone. That's easily the best spell. If you need more help, you might want to pick up certain hero characters, like Sirocco the Dragon or Toldor the Ent. The fights are a lot easier if you keep them around and alive.
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Any strategies in formations/attack strategies/combined arms makeup?

I forgot the formation names, but melee units go to the front, ranged to the side and fliers to the back. You should hotkey each group so that you can assign them targets on the fly and cycle through them to keep the special abilities active. Hotkeys are your friends in general, all good spells need one.

And it's most important to be flexible in your makeup. When your archers are slaughtered by melees, you'd resummon them as fliers.
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and I usually go for 2 expensive(3 soul) units instead of 6 cheap (1 soul ) units. Good or bad?

That would depend on which unit we're talking about, I think. Some of higher tier units are suprisingly pathetic. I'm looking at you, Blights.
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Do u use guardians at all? They seem useless, since it lowers your fighting force, and any wizard with a couple guys can kill them and convert them before I can reach the manalith anyways. . .

You do use teleport, don't you? With that you shouldn't any problems with the occasional attacks. Guardians are usually a waste of souls, unless you're playing one of these rare missions where the script places you in the defense. Then, guardians can buy you the time you need to regroup.
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I usually go for 2 manahours and 2 manaliths, and then concentrate on killing the opposing wizards army and converting, before I finally go after his altar. I tend not to go after his manaliths unless it's on the way. Is that a decent strategy?

If it works... But I doubt you'll get far. Your spells are a lot more potent than your units, and you want to cast them pretty much continuously, even if it's just your basic attack spell. I think you'll run out of mana way too quickly with your setup. Crawling from manalith to manalith and going to 3 manahoars as soon as you can ensures that you have a steady mana supply for your spells and summons.
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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2004, 10:40:35 AM »

I finished it over the summer and loved it!

I played as James the earthworm-guy and found his troops to be just fine.  I stayed with him till the end.
I always had 3 manahoars when I could afford it

On most of the missions it pays to play defensively.  I would typically hang out near my starting point and wait for the enemy to come to me.  Be sure to grab all his souls ASAP.  It's really the key to the game.  Think of it as a war of attrition and the more souls you can steal, the stronger you become.

Guardians are useful when you go exploring.  I didn't use them all the time but I used them often.  Basically they just slow down the enemy's progress in case he gets "behind" you and tries to take over your territory.

I always used combined troops and emphasized fewer stronger troops rather than many weaker troops.

Don't forget to use your powers often!  That's why you have the manahoars.

GameSpot has a useful GameGuide which helped me immensely.

And most importantly... don't forget you can pause!  I can't see frustrating yourself by not pausing, esp if you tend toward turn-based games.  Hit that pause key often and think, plan and take action.  Yes you can issue orders/commands while paused.

Good luck!  Its an amazing game.
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« Reply #5 on: October 11, 2004, 10:48:24 AM »

Thx for the responses guys :-)

OMG there's a pause button??!!!  lol.  Ooh, that makes the game a bit more bearable :-)

I try to use spells, but they seem a little hard to target with.  Is there a next target/ next foe button?  It's hard trying to use any of my single target attack spells when all the enemies are swarming around. . ..  EDIT: Sorry, dumb question.  I just read where u stated that u can issue commands while paused also :-)
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« Reply #6 on: October 11, 2004, 12:02:28 PM »

Oh yeah!  Pause is your friend!

Its extremely hard to target spells when the game isn't paused.

I know people who have played through the entire game without ever figuring out there is a pause button.  To me it makes a great game even more amazing.

Edit: and in response to #4 in your first post, go ahead and convert all his manaliths as you move across the map.  It helps you fortify your position and keeps your mana pool up for your spells.
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« Reply #7 on: October 11, 2004, 02:00:01 PM »

I mix and match missions, but I use a checklist to make sure I play different ones each time.

My most common early strategy on the tougher missions was to pull two manahoars, then guardian each and every additional creature to the manalith nearest my altar.  After a few minutes the enemy wizard would attack with a modest force.  I order every single creature to attack the enemy wizard only.  It usually only takes twenty or thirty seconds to kill him, after which he will retreat, taking his army with him.  As they do so, my guardians will automatically take out two or three of the retreating troops.  Since the enemy wizard is incorporeal, he isn't able to reclaim the souls before I can convert them.

The new souls are then summoned into something useful and guardianed with the rest.  After a couple more minutes, the enemy tries again, with the same results.  After two or three of his attacks, he is running out of souls, and I have a solid army of converts.  At that point I have all of the guardians attack one of the others, killing him.  Do that a few times and I have all of my souls back with which to go on the offensive.

Note that this method was the only way I was ever able to beat the final mission.
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« Reply #8 on: October 11, 2004, 02:09:58 PM »

Blackhawk was there a way to "unguardian" summons once you made them guardians?
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« Reply #9 on: October 11, 2004, 10:55:39 PM »

Nope, the only way to remove the guardian link from a unit after casting was to have the creature itself killed either by killing it directly or by pounding on the manalith it's linked to (which does damage to the creature linked).  Note if you have time and you want the soul back to recast on a mobile creature you can force your own units to kill it.
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« Reply #10 on: October 11, 2004, 11:10:19 PM »

What he said.  Like I mentioned, just select all your guardians, click 'attack' (or use the hotkey) and force them all to attack one of your guardians.  Repeat until you have your souls back.
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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2004, 03:39:58 AM »

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On most of the missions it pays to play defensively.  I would typically hang out near my starting point and wait for the enemy to come to me.  Be sure to grab all his souls ASAP.  It's really the key to the game.  Think of it as a war of attrition and the more souls you can steal, the stronger you become.


That's pretty much what I was going to say so I'll second that.  

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I know people who have played through the entire game without ever figuring out there is a pause button.


There's a pause button? LOL

At least once save your game and take time to hang out and watch the sacrifice rituals! Too cool.  :twisted:
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« Reply #12 on: October 12, 2004, 04:25:05 AM »

Did I mention the pause button?
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« Reply #13 on: October 12, 2004, 10:23:25 PM »

Sacrifice was such a brilliant game.  It was also incredibly difficult to actually play, even if you were a seasoned gamer ... but nonetheless a truly unique and interesting game.  I can see why it didn't sell well, but wish there were more games that innovative.

I guess I knew in theory that there was a pause button, but when I was actually playing I always got far too absorbed to remember to use it.  Not to mention relying on pause would've cramped my multiplayer skills against my brother.
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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2004, 08:04:39 PM »

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I know people who have played through the entire game without ever figuring out there is a pause button.


warning - I was one of those people  :?

Great game though - I still play it from time to time.  And I have the mp3 music from the game on CD that I sometimes listen to.

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