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« on: March 01, 2006, 10:54:33 PM »

FIRST OFFICIAL REVIEW IS IN


http://www.unleadedlogic.com/apriloxm.jpg

April OXM

9.5
+ Pick any synonym for fun, deep, or huge.
+ Stunning presentation w/ luscious viduals and a memorable music score
- The envelope pushing comes at a price
? If you took a week to play, would it be enough?

Oh and Fight Night got the 10

*updated with actual words from review*
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« Reply #1 on: March 01, 2006, 11:12:33 PM »

Awesome news! Great review too.
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« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2006, 12:02:01 AM »

Yeah, it's a very good review.


Other scores:
Ghost Recon got a 9 and the Outfit got a 8.5...
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« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2006, 12:16:38 AM »

Um, the game's not done yet?
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« Reply #4 on: March 02, 2006, 12:45:34 AM »

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Um, the game's not done yet?


*psst*

Yes, it pretty much is. smile

I'm sure it's been in a reviewable state for awhile now. A couple other magzines are having reviews of it this month as well.
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« Reply #5 on: March 02, 2006, 12:50:10 AM »

Can't say I'm thrilled about the framerate stuff.
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« Reply #6 on: March 02, 2006, 12:50:15 AM »

Fight Night got a 10, wow.  I know some impressions on the game are positive, but a 10/10 = a perfect game, and I've seen FN3 get its share of criticisms.

GRAW and The Outfit's 9 and 8.5 have me backing off picking up a 360.  I was looking forward to both of these and while those scores are certainly nothing to scoff at, I want super-amazing games to come out first.

THEN AGAIN, the tax return is coming soon...and it would be a perfect opportunity to grab a 360.

And while this topic is about Oblivion, I'll post an Oblivion question; if I hated Morrowind, is there any possibility I'd find Oblivion to be any better of a game?
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« Reply #7 on: March 02, 2006, 12:52:32 AM »

Fight Night 3 a perfect 10?  No friggin' way.   :?

As for Oblivion, I have every confidence the game will be as good as Morrowind, possibly better.  smile  That means it'll have its drawbacks and bugs (oh, lord, the bugs...) but overall it'll be fantastic and fun, and that's what matters.  Not a perfect 10, but I'm expecting a 9.  slywink
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« Reply #8 on: March 02, 2006, 12:58:07 AM »

Here are all the +/- for each 360 game reviewed:

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Oblivion:
+ Pick any synonym for fun, deep, or huge.
+ Stunning presentation w/ luscious viduals and a memorable music score
- The envelope pushing comes at a price
? If you took a week to play, would it be enough?

Fight Night:
+ No HUD
+ The ripples in a guy's face when you punch him
- Kinda light on the number of venues and real life boxers
? If games look this good now, what will they look like in 5 years?

GRAW:
+ Fantastic Multiplayer
+ Awesome presentation; graphics are amazing and sound effects are up to the excellent Clancy standard
- Ghost AI is lousy
? What's with the jarring EA Trax-inizing of the in-helicopter soundtrack?

Burnout:
+ Save and Share Mode
- Not enough new content. How about a new city?
- Graphics, espec damage models, leave us wanting more
? Could EA Trax maybe hire someone who doesn't love only pop punk?

Hoops:
+ Plays great; excellent coaching options
+ Terrific presentation and animations
- Awkward controls, particularly in the post
? What's with the scary, Barbi-doll faced cheerleaders?

Outfit:
+ Great concept executed well. Not great, but well.
+ Multiplayer modes up the yay-hoo
-Jeeps handle more like tanks
? Will a sequel that works the little kinks out be made? We hope so.
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« Reply #9 on: March 02, 2006, 12:59:37 AM »

More info about the review:

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About Oblivion, they mention that they reviewed it at Bethesda while it was still being worked on, Microsoft didn't even have it yet. They clocked in 44 hours of playtime. Complain about loading screens, some quick, some not. Didn't encounter any bugs. Noticable framerate choppiness in large busy areas. Radiant AI can sometimes hinder quests. They mention having to wait for an NPC to take a ring off so you can steal it, eventually having to come back another night and see if she does it. Latter portion of the quest is really tough, epic last boss fight.

Still, the game raises the bar. They can't wait to play it again. $60.00 well spent.
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« Reply #10 on: March 02, 2006, 02:24:16 AM »

I know this is common practice but I don't like reviewing games before they are finished.

Anyone who has been on-line for awhile has seen glowing reviews of games only to find that the reviewer didn't have the finished game, didn't finish the game, etc.

I remember that hardly any of the reviews of KoToR2 mentioned how the end  of the game was missing tons of content, and basically an ending since they didn't have the finished game.  As a gamer I felt very screwed by that.


I am not saying this review is the same but I think it is a diservice to gamers to review the unfinished game.
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« Reply #11 on: March 02, 2006, 02:28:24 AM »

And another thing (I think I am feeling bitchy smile)

Does anyone seriously expect anything but great reviews for this game?  How many huge, titles are given terrible reviews (even if the game is just average)

In some ways the bigger the release the less usefull reviews are.  They simply can't criticise the game.
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« Reply #12 on: March 02, 2006, 02:43:26 AM »

My Fight Night Round 3 review will go up tomorrow.  You'll get to see what a real review of that title looks like.  10?  I don't think so.
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« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2006, 02:53:52 AM »

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My Fight Night Round 3 review will go up tomorrow.  You'll get to see what a real review of that title looks like.  10?  I don't think so.


Yeah, nearly burst out laughing when it was revealed the Fight Night was the 10, out of those 3 games.

What a joke. Fight Night is good, but it has a TON of glitches and it's really a one trick pony. It has amazing graphics, but that's it.
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« Reply #14 on: March 02, 2006, 03:14:40 AM »

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I know this is common practice but I don't like reviewing games before they are finished.


I'm a bit more lenient of the practice with consoles mainly because QA tends to be far, far better than PCs and the games are essentially finished so much earlier due to having to undergo additonal cert by the platform manufacturer.

What I don't like, however, is any review done at the offices of the dev.  Just feels dirty.  Maybe it happens, maybe it doesn't, but I always imagine lots of devs stopping by with "how's the game going?  Any questions?"  "Oh, yeah, no that's not a bug it's an intentional design decision", "stuck in this part, here just in put this code, go to this location, etc".  

I hate to say it but I'm really bummed about the performance issues noted.  My PC is slightly under the Recommended reqts (I'm running a 6600 GT) so I've been planning on getting the 360 version all along.  Long and frequent load times and stuttery framerates aren't really something I want to experience in a game that I'll likely log 50+ hours in.  Poor performance on a console is pretty inexcusable IMO- I'm much rather them lower detail in order to keep the framerate steady.

Here's hoping OXM is exaggerating the effect.
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« Reply #15 on: March 02, 2006, 03:45:48 AM »

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Fight Night is good, but it has a TON of glitches and it's really a one trick pony. It has amazing graphics, but that's it.


That's harsh, don't you think?  Have you played FN3 much?  It has a lot more going for it than just amazing graphics, things like good boxing gameplay, fun multiplayer, and a fun (although not perfect) career mode, to name a few.  It's certainly not perfection by any means, but describing it as a 1 trick pony is a bit rough.
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« Reply #16 on: March 02, 2006, 03:52:18 AM »

TML you didnt hear? Theyre redoing Oblivion as a turn based anime inspired japanese SRPG.  So if youre into that you should love it!

Actually thats a bold faced lie (duh!) and if you hate Morrowind youll hate Oblivion too.  Not me though, I prob wont leave the set for a year.
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« Reply #17 on: March 02, 2006, 04:15:52 AM »

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That's harsh, don't you think?  Have you played FN3 much?  It has a lot more going for it than just amazing graphics, things like good boxing gameplay, fun multiplayer, and a fun (although not perfect) career mode, to name a few.

And advertisements like:
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This knockout brought to you by Burger King!

Let's watch that again, thanks to the new Dodge Aspire!

THAT punch brought to you by Chicken Fries, new at Burger King!

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=87292
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« Reply #18 on: March 02, 2006, 04:20:14 AM »

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That's harsh, don't you think?  Have you played FN3 much?  It has a lot more going for it than just amazing graphics, things like good boxing gameplay, fun multiplayer, and a fun (although not perfect) career mode, to name a few.

And advertisements like:
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This knockout brought to you by Burger King!

Let's watch that again, thanks to the new Dodge Aspire!

THAT punch brought to you by Chicken Fries, new at Burger King!

http://www.ga-forum.com/showthread.php?t=87292



Yea, I pretty much stepped all over the audio section for this crap.
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« Reply #19 on: March 02, 2006, 04:40:01 AM »

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TML you didnt hear? Theyre redoing Oblivion as a turn based anime inspired japanese SRPG.  So if youre into that you should love it!


I'm a sucker for that shit, I'm IN!!
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« Reply #20 on: March 02, 2006, 04:51:46 AM »

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Fight Night is good, but it has a TON of glitches and it's really a one trick pony. It has amazing graphics, but that's it.


That's harsh, don't you think?  Have you played FN3 much?  It has a lot more going for it than just amazing graphics, things like good boxing gameplay, fun multiplayer, and a fun (although not perfect) career mode, to name a few.  It's certainly not perfection by any means, but describing it as a 1 trick pony is a bit rough.


Yeah, I've got nearly all the achievements on it now and I've played it for a good 15 hours or so.

It's good, but it not so amazing to deserve a 10. It's really not all that better than Fight Night Rd2, except for the graphics, IMO.
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« Reply #21 on: March 02, 2006, 05:02:30 AM »

Well, I am pretty sure the Oblivion that the guy played on was very very very similar to the final build, if not the same build-Kathode can fill you in, so I dont see why reviewing it early would be an issue at all.

TML-why is a solid 9 for GRAW and a solid 8.5 for The Outfit not good enough to make you think you might want to play them? Those are excellent scores and the +/- didn't really make them sound like there are any real issues with them-they seem like fun, although maybe not the best of the best titles!
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« Reply #22 on: March 02, 2006, 05:10:19 AM »

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I hate to say it but I'm really bummed about the performance issues noted.  My PC is slightly under the Recommended reqts (I'm running a 6600 GT) so I've been planning on getting the 360 version all along.  Long and frequent load times and stuttery framerates aren't really something I want to experience in a game that I'll likely log 50+ hours in.  Poor performance on a console is pretty inexcusable IMO- I'm much rather them lower detail in order to keep the framerate steady.

Here's hoping OXM is exaggerating the effect.


The load times were better on the PC, but the Xbox 360 wasn't bad, at least not for me.  It really didn't detract from the game.
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« Reply #23 on: March 02, 2006, 05:17:59 AM »

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Fight Night got a 10, wow.  I know some impressions on the game are positive, but a 10/10 = a perfect game, and I've seen FN3 get its share of criticisms.

GRAW and The Outfit's 9 and 8.5 have me backing off picking up a 360.  I was looking forward to both of these and while those scores are certainly nothing to scoff at, I want super-amazing games to come out first.


A 10, a 9 and an 8.5.  And you are backing off?  I'll grant that OXM inflates their reviews a bit. But honestly if a combined 27.5 out of 30 for 3 games in one month is MAKING YOU BACK OFF I don't know what to tell you.
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« Reply #24 on: March 02, 2006, 07:45:16 AM »

Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.
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« Reply #25 on: March 02, 2006, 07:58:44 AM »

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Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.


If that bugs you, I'd take a pass.  Yes, those lines are actually in the game.  "This knockout replay brought to you by Burger King"  "This exibition brought to you by Dodge, makers of the all new blah blah car I ignored"  Hell, one of the unlocks you win is literally a commercial for a prototype Dodge car.
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« Reply #26 on: March 02, 2006, 08:04:27 AM »

How often does it do this?  Every time?
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« Reply #27 on: March 02, 2006, 09:06:56 AM »

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Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.


If that bugs you, I'd take a pass.  Yes, those lines are actually in the game.  "This knockout replay brought to you by Burger King"  "This exibition brought to you by Dodge, makers of the all new blah blah car I ignored"  Hell, one of the unlocks you win is literally a commercial for a prototype Dodge car.


In one of your championship fights The Burger King himself (from the creepy commercials) escorts the other fighter into the arena. After you win you can then hire said burger king as your trainer, and he escorts you into every fight.

The advertising is everywhere.

It's also possible to have ONE SINGLE PUNCH put you into that stunned mode where you get knocked down, because the game wasn't already unbalanced enough with the Haymakers in it's last edition.

I think EA screwed the pooch on this one.

I liked the second one, but with the fucked up one punch KO crap and all the neverending advertisements I'll be passing on it unless I see it for about ten bucks.
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« Reply #28 on: March 02, 2006, 10:28:20 AM »

Well, any other boxing sims on the horizon?

I liked the demo, but that had no advertising.

The one hit KO punches are nasty, but they have a longer windup time.  Perhaps they should have made those impact punches simply the hardest punch a fighter can deliver, but not something that arbitrarily puts you in KO mode unless you've already taken a good number of hits earlier.  Insta KO's, but with quick get ups would have been fine enough, maybe even helpful to the speed guys, but with the way KOs are added to the scorecard, it does seem unbalancing.
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« Reply #29 on: March 02, 2006, 12:58:25 PM »

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Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.


If that bugs you, I'd take a pass.  Yes, those lines are actually in the game.  "This knockout replay brought to you by Burger King"  "This exibition brought to you by Dodge, makers of the all new blah blah car I ignored"  Hell, one of the unlocks you win is literally a commercial for a prototype Dodge car.


In one of your championship fights The Burger King himself (from the creepy commercials) escorts the other fighter into the arena. After you win you can then hire said burger king as your trainer, and he escorts you into every fight.

The advertising is everywhere.

It's also possible to have ONE SINGLE PUNCH put you into that stunned mode where you get knocked down, because the game wasn't already unbalanced enough with the Haymakers in it's last edition.

I think EA screwed the pooch on this one.

I liked the second one, but with the fucked up one punch KO crap and all the neverending advertisements I'll be passing on it unless I see it for about ten bucks.


For the advertising being everywhere, I have yet to notice anything other than the signs around the ring etc, and I could care less about it, it doesn't affect my gameplay one single bit.  Also there is no advertising in the multiplayer where I will be spending most of my time with the game.  

While one single punch can put you in a knock down mode, I have yet to have one land because they are incredibly easy to parry 99% of the time.  They are a desperation punch that if it lands is great, if it doesn't you are opened up for incredibly damaging counters.
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« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2006, 01:19:11 PM »

I think some of you are being a bit harsh with the bashing of the advertisment in thos game.  


If you watch a real Boxing match you get this type of shit all the time and like it or not Game Developers see the income in getting sponsorship from these product sellers.
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« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2006, 02:29:25 PM »

Advertising is only run over the cut scenes (entering the ring) and the replays, not during the action. The A button skips both.

I'm still nto sure what glitches Hetz is talking about. 40 pro fights and 5 amateur fights and I ahven't seen anything but the occasional clipping problem with a fighters shorts on the knockdowns.
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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2006, 02:42:22 PM »

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I think some of you are being a bit harsh with the bashing of the advertisment in thos game.  


If you watch a real Boxing match you get this type of shit all the time and like it or not Game Developers see the income in getting sponsorship from these product sellers.

But that extra income the developers get from the ads doesn't get passed on to the consumer.  You're still paying... what? $60 for the game?

I guess I'm looking forward to Oblivion just because I know there's no way Burger King can worm its way into the game.  At least I hope not.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2006, 02:50:21 PM »

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Advertising is only run over the cut scenes (entering the ring) and the replays, not during the action. The A button skips both.

I'm still nto sure what glitches Hetz is talking about. 40 pro fights and 5 amateur fights and I ahven't seen anything but the occasional clipping problem with a fighters shorts on the knockdowns.


Lots of audio glitches, like the announcer saying the wrong person won the fight, the announcer getting cut off in the middle of a sentance during the replays... etc.

Not so much glitches with the boxers.
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« Reply #34 on: March 02, 2006, 03:03:44 PM »

I guess that would go back to me not watching replays. slywink I only need to hear that sickening crunch so many times.

Back on topic, woo oblivion woo! I think I'll put in my pre-order this week. Someone posted about the trade in 2 360 games get one free promotion coming back to gamestop... have I said woo yet?
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« Reply #35 on: March 02, 2006, 03:12:26 PM »

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I think I'll put in my pre-order this week. Someone posted about the trade in 2 360 games get one free promotion coming back to gamestop... have I said woo yet?



Really, now?   I have DOA4 and Prefect Dark:CE ready to go! This is awesome if true
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« Reply #36 on: March 02, 2006, 03:18:39 PM »

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I think I'll put in my pre-order this week. Someone posted about the trade in 2 360 games get one free promotion coming back to gamestop... have I said woo yet?



Really, now?   I have DOA4 and Prefect Dark:CE ready to go! This is awesome if true


Found the post, Hetz posted it secondhand:

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Condemned, Kameo, Ridge Racer, DOA4, COD2 all ready to go back. Perfect Dark and FNR3 prob be done before Oblivion ships.
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« Reply #37 on: March 02, 2006, 04:01:50 PM »

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Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.


If that bugs you, I'd take a pass.  Yes, those lines are actually in the game.  "This knockout replay brought to you by Burger King"  "This exibition brought to you by Dodge, makers of the all new blah blah car I ignored"  Hell, one of the unlocks you win is literally a commercial for a prototype Dodge car.


In one of your championship fights The Burger King himself (from the creepy commercials) escorts the other fighter into the arena. After you win you can then hire said burger king as your trainer, and he escorts you into every fight.

The advertising is everywhere.

It's also possible to have ONE SINGLE PUNCH put you into that stunned mode where you get knocked down, because the game wasn't already unbalanced enough with the Haymakers in it's last edition.

I think EA screwed the pooch on this one.

I liked the second one, but with the fucked up one punch KO crap and all the neverending advertisements I'll be passing on it unless I see it for about ten bucks.


For the advertising being everywhere, I have yet to notice anything other than the signs around the ring etc, and I could care less about it, it doesn't affect my gameplay one single bit.  Also there is no advertising in the multiplayer where I will be spending most of my time with the game.  

While one single punch can put you in a knock down mode, I have yet to have one land because they are incredibly easy to parry 99% of the time.  They are a desperation punch that if it lands is great, if it doesn't you are opened up for incredibly damaging counters.


The King is one of your trainers. They constantly barrage you with advertisements during fights, and they have dodge signs flying around the audience. The floor of the arena is pasted with a giant logo, the corners of the rings have logos all over them, the boxer's uniforms are plastered with various advertisements. An unlock is....A commercial.

The game (FN3) is good, and I've played a shit ton of it, but I can only stand going through career mode one time. Espn classics is a neat feature, but certainly once you're done most of us will trade in the game for something else. GRAW, THe OUtfit, Oblivion, Battlefield 2, all games with longer legs and more gameplay. FN3 does not deserve a 10 out of 10.

To me, when you give a title a 10. That is saying, "this is the standard by which all games will be judged."

No Mr. King, I would not like fries with my punches. Thank you.
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« Reply #38 on: March 02, 2006, 04:23:36 PM »

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Whoah, wait, they actually say those lines in game?  As in the announcer actually announces so and so knockout by BK?

How bad is it really, because that's the sort of thing that might make me pass on FNR3.


If that bugs you, I'd take a pass.  Yes, those lines are actually in the game.  "This knockout replay brought to you by Burger King"  "This exibition brought to you by Dodge, makers of the all new blah blah car I ignored"  Hell, one of the unlocks you win is literally a commercial for a prototype Dodge car.


In one of your championship fights The Burger King himself (from the creepy commercials) escorts the other fighter into the arena. After you win you can then hire said burger king as your trainer, and he escorts you into every fight.

The advertising is everywhere.

It's also possible to have ONE SINGLE PUNCH put you into that stunned mode where you get knocked down, because the game wasn't already unbalanced enough with the Haymakers in it's last edition.

I think EA screwed the pooch on this one.

I liked the second one, but with the fucked up one punch KO crap and all the neverending advertisements I'll be passing on it unless I see it for about ten bucks.


For the advertising being everywhere, I have yet to notice anything other than the signs around the ring etc, and I could care less about it, it doesn't affect my gameplay one single bit.  Also there is no advertising in the multiplayer where I will be spending most of my time with the game.  

While one single punch can put you in a knock down mode, I have yet to have one land because they are incredibly easy to parry 99% of the time.  They are a desperation punch that if it lands is great, if it doesn't you are opened up for incredibly damaging counters.


The King is one of your trainers. They constantly barrage you with advertisements during fights, and they have dodge signs flying around the audience. The floor of the arena is pasted with a giant logo, the corners of the rings have logos all over them, the boxer's uniforms are plastered with various advertisements. An unlock is....A commercial.

The game (FN3) is good, and I've played a shit ton of it, but I can only stand going through career mode one time. Espn classics is a neat feature, but certainly once you're done most of us will trade in the game for something else. GRAW, THe OUtfit, Oblivion, Battlefield 2, all games with longer legs and more gameplay. FN3 does not deserve a 10 out of 10.

To me, when you give a title a 10. That is saying, "this is the standard by which all games will be judged."

No Mr. King, I would not like fries with my punches. Thank you.


On the advertising side of things...

Every boxing match in real life has insane amounts of advertising, they even write advertising on the backs of fighters, such as goldencasino.com.  The logos around the arena and on the canvas are EA's attempt at recreating the real thing.  The announcers using slogans only happens if you watch the replays.  I just don't see why everyone thinks it is so intrusive or that it has any effect on gameplay.

Unlocking the King as a trainer is no different than unlocking big heads or other such fun things in a game like madden.  They are unlockables, which are usually by nature quirky.
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« Reply #39 on: March 02, 2006, 04:32:09 PM »

The advertising doesn't bother me in the least...then again, as an avid boxing fan I'm used to it and look at it as adding some authenticity to the enviroment.  :wink:
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